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1/2 pint double eagle flask C & I - 12/21/2007 7:14:08 PM    epgorge   Posts: 2526 Joined: 12/29/2006 From: USA Status: offline Hi Bill, et al, I was hoping for help identifying this double eagle flask. I believe it to be a 1/2 pint. It is 6 1/4 inches tall and three inches across the shoulder. It has a very strong key hinge and a slug plate with C & I. Aqua, applied lip. Eagle, ribbon beaked with three arrows in each talon. Very strong strike and in very good condition. Any info on nomenclature would be appreciated. Is it Pittsburg PA glass? Attachment (1) Post #: 1

RE: 1/2 pint double eagle flask C & I - 12/21/2007 7:15:41 PM    epgorge   Posts: 2526 Joined: 12/29/2006 From: USA Status: offline nice strong keyed bottom Attachment (1) (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 2

RE: 1/2 pint double eagle flask C & I - 12/21/2007 7:16:56 PM    epgorge   Posts: 2526 Joined: 12/29/2006 From: USA Status: offline thanks for your help Joel Attachment (1) (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 3

RE: 1/2 pint double eagle flask C & I - 12/21/2007 7:19:20 PM    cowseatmaize Posts: 5909 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: 200yds W of Rt 495 in MA Status: offline quote: Is it Pittsburg PA glass? Yup, that would be Cunningham Ihmsem, GII-127 I think. _____________________________ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati Eric (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 4

RE: 1/2 pint double eagle flask C & I - 12/21/2007 7:32:52 PM    Whisperingwinds   Posts: 210 Joined: 10/24/2006 Status: offline I like the look of it, pretty cool. ww (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 5

RE: 1/2 pint double eagle flask C & I - 12/21/2007 8:02:12 PM    epgorge   Posts: 2526 Joined: 12/29/2006 From: USA Status: offline Thanks. I found it off listed. The item made much of a glass stopper that "came with it". I believe it is your standard Lea and Perrin top. I put it in the L&P drawer. Joel (in reply to Whisperingwinds) Post #: 6

RE: 1/2 pint double eagle flask C & I - 12/21/2007 9:45:51 PM    epgorge   Posts: 2526 Joined: 12/29/2006 From: USA Status: offline From the "History of Allegheny" , L. H Everts & Company 1876: under the listings for Glass Trade,(http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:IOU3rwshe98J:archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PAALLEGH-MEMORIES/1998-05/0894663328+Cunningham+Ihmsen&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us) CUNNINGHAM & IHMSEN "commenced the manufacture of window-glass, black-glass, flint-glass, and druggists'glassware, under the firm name of W. Cunningham & Co., the former being the senior member of the present firm. The factories are located at Twenty-fifth, Twenty-sixth, and Twenty-seventh Streets, South Side, Pittsburgh, and consist of three furnaces. They employ 280 hands, and have an annual capacity of 450,000"-     Also, for more info on C & I The Dating Game.. http://www.blm.gov/historic_bottles/pdffiles/BLockhart_Ihmsen.pdf thanks for the help < Message edited by epgorge -- 12/21/2007 9:46:06 PM > (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 7

RE: 1/2 pint double eagle flask C & I - 12/21/2007 9:54:40 PM    jfcutter Posts: 71 Joined: 10/27/2004 From: Klamath Falls, OR. Status: offline Hi epgorge!  Nice flask and typical of the offerings from the Pittsburgh area during the Civil War era.  I think others identified the flask but I would add one more bit of information...  The Historic Bottle Website (HBW) includes an article by our group - published in Bottles & Extras a couple years ago - on the Cunningham family of glassmakers.  This includes Cunningham & Ihmsen which is what the C&I stands for...as noted by cowseatmaise.  The article is at this link if you want the most recent information on the subject:  http://www.sha.org/bottle/pdffiles/Cunningham_BLockhart.pdf One further note is that I've been in contact with a descendant of the Cunningham family (or is it Ihmsen...I can't remember without looking it up) who is currently working on a comprehensive history of the family and all their glassmaking activities.  I'm not sure what is to be done with the information - article, book or ? - but once completed, I'm sure that I could get a copy and would post the information on the HBW.  So stay tuned... Below is an interesting "strap" sided Cunningham & Ihmsen flask that I used on the HBW to illustrate somethingoranother.  For those keeping score at home, it is McKearin & Wilson's (1978) GXV-5... Bill Attachment (1) < Message edited by jfcutter -- 12/22/2007 12:03:57 AM > _____________________________ Bill Lindsey - Klamath Falls, OR. Author of the BLM/SHA's "Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information Website" http://www.sha.org/bottle/index.htm (...and a collector of American mouth-blown bottles) (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 8

RE: 1/2 pint double eagle flask C & I - 12/23/2007 12:29:11 PM    epgorge   Posts: 2526 Joined: 12/29/2006 From: USA Status: offline quote: The article is at this link if you want the most recent information on the subject: http://www.sha.org/bottle/pdffiles/Cunningham_BLockhart.pdf Bill, Actually I had started with your article (as I usually do, best damn site on the web, in my opinion). I was remiss in not mentioning your page and your contribution but did open this post with your name. I love the simplicity of the C&I flasks and have noted them selling relatively cheaply. I believe their popularity will increase as will their value eventually. Keep up the great work you do educating all of us, Bill, and thanks. I will be giving you a call this summer or fall (08) as I will be up visiting Vester. I will call you to let you know when I am there and if it works for you. Joel Joel (in reply to jfcutter) Post #: 9

RE: 1/2 pint double eagle flask C & I - 12/23/2007 5:03:34 PM    jfcutter Posts: 71 Joined: 10/27/2004 From: Klamath Falls, OR. Status: offline Thanks Joel!  I did note my name in your opening message...and eventually (after sending my message) the link to the B&E article on Cunningham.  Thanks for the compliments!  I kinda think it is the best bottle website on the net too, but have an obvious bias... I am now retired and will await your trip to this neck of the woods.  Fishing on the Williamson is pretty good in the summer....the image below is of a 27" (around 7 lb.) "red band" trout that I caught (and released) off the dock in front of our river house.  It is awaiting you... I will be around most of the summer and fall of 2008, except for a driving sojourn to Canada & Alaska (for my youngest sons graduation from HS) which will most likely be sometime between 8/20 and 9/15; specific dates have not been set. See ya............Bill Attachment (1) _____________________________ Bill Lindsey - Klamath Falls, OR. Author of the BLM/SHA's "Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information Website" http://www.sha.org/bottle/index.htm (...and a collector of American mouth-blown bottles) (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 10

RE: 1/2 pint double eagle flask C & I - 1/5/2008 12:39:59 PM    epgorge   Posts: 2526 Joined: 12/29/2006 From: USA Status: offline Hi Bill, et al, Awesome fish, Bill. Keep it fed for me. I use Rogers bandwidth to ask these questions here rather than in person, for posterity. Here is the flask I finally recieved after getting it slow boat from China. It is a clasped hands/ eagle flask, embossed on the bottom with L&W. It is a pint. I was wondering why the 13 stars on it and why the eagle has a ribbon in its beak with what appear to be segmented fingers incorporated into it. Also, is there significance to the eagle having arrows in it's talons rather than a ribbon. Peace or war time, perhaps? Thanks Bill. Joel Attachment (1) < Message edited by epgorge -- 1/5/2008 12:45:47 PM > (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 11

RE: 1/2 pint double eagle flask C & I - 1/5/2008 12:42:18 PM    epgorge   Posts: 2526 Joined: 12/29/2006 From: USA Status: offline Eagle side. Would this be a Union Flask, and why? Joel Attachment (1) (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 12

RE: 1/2 pint double eagle flask C & I - 1/5/2008 12:45:51 PM    epgorge   Posts: 2526 Joined: 12/29/2006 From: USA Status: offline L W L & W..............Lorenz and Wightman, Pittsburgh, PA (c.1862-1874). A prolific bottle producer. This mark is known on a very large variety of bottles and fruit jars. Toulouse claims the mark may have been used from 1851 to 1860, and then again from 1862 up to 1871, which is the year that Lorenz died. However, Lorenz and Wightman was not officially dissolved until 1874. I know of certain bottles that exist with the L&W marking that definitely date as late as 1874 http://www.myinsulators.com/glass-factories/bottlemarks2.html Attachment (1) (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 13

RE: 1/2 pint double eagle flask C & I - 1/5/2008 12:47:14 PM    epgorge   Posts: 2526 Joined: 12/29/2006 From: USA Status: offline ringed Attachment (1) (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 14

RE: 1/2 pint double eagle flask C & I - 1/5/2008 1:03:34 PM    rlo   Posts: 320 Joined: 12/9/2007 From: the boot heel Status: offline No! wait, I think that fish has MY name on it!  Nice catch! catch & release,  kuddos! (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 15

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