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17th century Dutch onion bottle for sale - 6/11/2010 10:22:41 AM   
Wanderingstar

 

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Status: offline 		I have a 17th century Dutch onion bottle for sale which was once my prized possession before I became a nomad 10 years ago. And as I don’t think it should be in storage but should be seen and appreciated I am reluctantly putting it up for sale.
It comes off the wreck "Het Huis te Kraaiestein"  /  "Huis te Crayenstein" [The spelling differs a lot]
She sank at  Oudekraal’ Cape Town and I personally salvaged it diving in 1964.
I am sure it went down in 1692 despite other dates I have seen and if I recall it was made just after the bottle design was changed.
It is short and squat and has a deep blue colour with parts having a beautiful "Mother of pearl / turquoisey sheen from being buried in sand underwater all this time but a small exposed section has been sand blasted from water action.
The cork and wire seal are still in it but a small portion of the lip of the bottle broke during salvage but has been epoxied back on.
Will you kind folk please guide me as to the best method and place to sell it?

I hear Ebay is THE place but believe I need a credit card - which I don`t have only a debit card - so would appreciate advice.

As my photos are probably gone due to a computer problem I will have to dig it out and photograph it again as fortunately I picked it up on a recent visit to my ex home.. However as it is well packed I am reluctant to break all that packaging unless your kind feedback and indication of its potential price I could get for it is appealing. I was offered $US 5000 for it in 1984 but turned it down as I was told by a museum and Sotheby’s at that time that $10,000 was more realistic

I look forward to hearing from  some of you.   As I often have trouble surfing the web but can usually get E mail can I please be contacted on georgebigblue@gmail.   Ciao
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RE: 17th century Dutch onion bottle for sale - 6/11/2010 3:14:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ebay get's continuous exposure and good, pricey bottle come on now and then, but most of the high end bottles are usually bought/sold on bottle exclusive auctions. 
You can try American Bottle Auction,  Glass Works Auction, BottleAuction.com or Bottlemagazine.com.  The first 2 have the most exposure I think as that's what comes into conversation most times and have established clientele.  But I have never really dealt with them yet so maybe other members who have a history with any of these can add their 2 cents.


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RE: 17th century Dutch onion bottle for sale - 6/11/2010 3:21:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Without photos I would venture that online selling would be a bit difficult especially for an item supposely valued in the thousands.

I would recommend you find when a bottle show will occur near where you are nomadically wondering at the time ... http://www.glswrk-auction.com/ShowCale.html
Take your bottle in and odds are someone can appraise it for you and will offer you money if it is truely rare. Good luck.

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RE: 17th century Dutch onion bottle for sale - 6/11/2010 8:16:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thats too bad, I only buy unpictured dutch onion bottles from nomads that are appraised at least 25,000.

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RE: 17th century Dutch onion bottle for sale - 6/11/2010 8:54:17 PM   
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RE: 17th century Dutch onion bottle for sale - 6/11/2010 9:14:28 PM   
Wanderingstar

 

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Status: offline 		Thanks GuntherHess / Gunther.
I`m currently in Thailand till July 18th then Singapore for a few days, then Bali a few weeks then New Zealand for quite a while I hope. Chances of finding a bottle show? Highly unlikely.

I was hoping someone on this forum would know these bottles and their worth intimately and be really helpful by being able to suggest - from knowledge of such - a realistic price.

Your "colleague" div2roty`s facetious reply below I am not even going to grace with a polite response.  I know his type.
Nothing better to do than perch on a forum posting inane replies and sitting back smugly thinking how clever they are
I dont need Cretins like him in my life.



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RE: 17th century Dutch onion bottle for sale - 6/11/2010 9:15:11 PM   
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Get a life!

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RE: 17th century Dutch onion bottle for sale - 6/11/2010 10:00:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		you are offering a damaged / repaired bottle for 10k with no pics and an alledged value from an sothebys, so I think my response appropriate.


next you'll be telling my a long lost relative died in Africa and left me 10 million dollars, but that I have to send a money order for $5,000 in order for you to process it.

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RE: 17th century Dutch onion bottle for sale - 6/11/2010 10:01:17 PM   
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RE: 17th century Dutch onion bottle for sale - 6/11/2010 11:05:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds like you made a huge mistake not taking the $5000.

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RE: 17th century Dutch onion bottle for sale - 6/12/2010 3:25:16 AM   
Wanderingstar

 

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Status: offline 		Ok Then. But have you never heard of Smileys?

And BTW I said I will unpack it and re-photograph it if the responses were good.

So far they are not.



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RE: 17th century Dutch onion bottle for sale - 6/12/2010 3:29:10 AM   
Wanderingstar

 

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Status: offline 		At that time I had a nice home and lots of artifacts and this was my pride so I didnt want to sell it then.
Its a different world now.
I will continue to look and who knows.

Thank you all for your help.
Ciao 

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RE: 17th century Dutch onion bottle for sale - 6/12/2010 6:04:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		SORRY WE COULD NOT BE MORE HELP.BUT AS STATED HARD TO KNOW WITH OUT A PICTURE!IF YOU HAVE SOME PROVENENCE OF YOUR DIVE AND WHERE YOU GOT IT FROM WOULD HELP TOO! IF IT IS A REALLY EXPENSIVE BOTTLE AS YOU THINK...YEP THE AUCTION HOUSES WILL BE YOUR BEST BET! HECKLERS,GLASS WORKS [AS ALREADY MENTIONED AND THE OTHERS MENTIONED WILL BE YOU BEST BET.NOW THEY ARE SOME BLACK GLASS COLLECTORS ON HERE,BUT AS STATED GOOD PICTURES OF THE TOP SIDES,BOTTOM ALL OVER WILL BE NEEDED AND THE MEASUREMENTS TOO. GOOD LUCK TO YOU! SOUNDS LIKE YOU NEED MONEY AS I DO. JAMIE

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RE: 17th century Dutch onion bottle for sale - 6/12/2010 8:03:37 AM   
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RE: 17th century Dutch onion bottle for sale - 6/12/2010 8:31:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		I dont know how well they do appraisals, but Kiwi Auctions is down in the New Zeland area where you will be.  Perhaps they could help.  http://www.kiwiauctions.co.nz/

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RE: 17th century Dutch onion bottle for sale - 6/12/2010 11:01:55 AM   
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RE: 17th century Dutch onion bottle for sale - 6/12/2010 7:16:14 PM   
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RE: 17th century Dutch onion bottle for sale - 6/12/2010 11:35:27 PM   
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RE: 17th century Dutch onion bottle for sale - 6/13/2010 12:22:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Wanderingstar

It comes off the wreck "Het Huis te Kraaiestein"  /  "Huis te Crayenstein" [The spelling differs a lot]
She sank at  Oudekraal’ Cape Town and I personally salvaged it diving in 1964.
I am sure it went down in 1692 despite other dates I have seen and if I recall it was made just after the bottle design was changed.


Yo nomad,

No matter how one spells it, it went down May 27th, 1698:

"On her maiden voyage from Wielingen on route
to Table Bay this East Indiaman ran aground in thick mist. Het Huis
Te Kraaiestein shipwrecked on the 27 May 1698 carrying a cargo
of 19 chests of silver pieces-of-eight among other things. Three
of these chests are still unaccounted for and the name 'Geldkis'
appears on maps of the area, no doubt refering to this missing
treasure." From.

"Camps Bay with its winds, baboons and lions, remained unsettled except for trips to collect wood or stones. Camps Bay had few attractions for the early farmer and the line of breakers made the bay dangerous for shipping. On 27 May 1698 Het Huis te Crayenstein ran aground on the rocks at Oudekraal beyond Camps Bay, having missed Table Bay which was hidden by fog.19 No lives were lost and the crew managed to land taking sixteen of the nineteen money chests on board with them. An official inquiry was held in Cape Town and the officers responsible for mistaking the bay were demoted and dismissed. The authorities managed to salvage much of the cargo and a thorough search was made for the missing money chests - the remains of one was found with a few scattered coins among the rocks. The other two chests had vanished - either stolen or lost beneath the waves." From.



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It is short and squat and has a deep blue colour...
Uh-huh, that's probably why it's so, so valuable, eh?

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The cork and wire seal are still in it but a small portion of the lip of the bottle broke during salvage but has been epoxied back on.


This is another place photos would be necessary. Amateurish "repairs" - always a value enhancer. How'd the gang at Sotheby's like that? I agree that you shoulda took that 5 grand offer and wandered double quick.

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I dont need Cretins..
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Smart Arse...
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Small Minded Twerp...
Interesting sales technique here.

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And BTW I said I will unpack it and re-photograph it if the responses were good.

So far they are not.
Gee, can you imagine that. Why do you suppose responses were not so good?



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RE: 17th century Dutch onion bottle for sale - 6/13/2010 6:04:04 AM   
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Since no one else has done it yet, welcome to our forum! We have many nice, helpful people here... if you treat them right!




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