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1st attempt bottle repair - 9/21/2011 9:24:11 PM    swizzle Posts: 3596 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline Well I finally decided that no one is gonna hand me the secret recipe to fix bottles so I decided to try to see what I can do on my own. The resin I'd like to get is a bit pricey so I think I did all right with what I had at hand. I'm not thrilled about the outcome but hey its my first attempt and maybe I can start to get some opinions on how to improve my work. Check out my pics and be as critical as you like. No sugar coating. I want true and honest opinions. Thanx for reading. Swiz Post #: 1

RE: 1st attempt bottle repair - 9/21/2011 9:36:49 PM    Wheelah23 Posts: 4282 Joined: 8/9/2010 From: Glen Ridge, New Jersey Status: online I've been meaning to do the same thing for a few bottles I have. The problem is, I think it's near impossible to match the color exactly. Looks like you ran into the same difficulty. I think the color is the problem, you can see quite evidently that the bottle has been repaired. _____________________________ Looking for bottles from Glen Ridge, Montclair, Bloomfield, Orange, East Orange, West Orange, South Orange, and if I like 'em, any other bottles from Essex County NJ! Also Manahawkin NJ! Message me if you want to find them a new home. (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 2

RE: 1st attempt bottle repair - 9/21/2011 9:46:46 PM    swizzle Posts: 3596 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline From a distance its not nearly as obvious. The one thing I also wasn't happy with is that the epoxy says that it drys crystal clear. Its not clear at all. When you hold it up to the light the repair actually cast a shadow through the glass. I also noticed how clear the glass is but the repair has air bubbles. I'm thinking that I may need to set it on a vibrating surface to remove some if not all of the bubbles. I'm wondering if the tiny drop of testor paint really affected the clarity of the epoxy. Anyone else have thoughts, opinions, suggestions on better quality resin? Any suggestions at all? Thanx, Wheelah23. Swiz (in reply to Wheelah23) Post #: 3

RE: 1st attempt bottle repair - 9/21/2011 9:55:32 PM    JOETHECROW Posts: 9789 Joined: 9/3/2005 From: Northwestern Pa. (Near scenic Lake Perfidy) Status: offline Not too bad for a first try Swiz,...I'm not too sure how else you'd color the epoxy than the way you have..Did you try some mixed w/out tint to see how it drys? _____________________________ Joe ``````````````````````````````````` In the woods we return to reason and faith. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooTyuRd9zSg&feature=related (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 4

RE: 1st attempt bottle repair - 9/21/2011 10:03:58 PM    swizzle Posts: 3596 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline No I didn't. I think I may have to actually add a little more to get it dark enough. Matching the color is only one hurdle. The other problem that i think may have caused the clarity issue is the air dry clay that I used. It says it takes 2-3 days to dry and I used it wet. I think some of the clay may be bonded to the epoxy. Is there anything that dries faster or works better that I could use right away? I'm thinking that the air dry clay will shrink as it dries and that it won't be the perfect mold material That I need. I think I left my dremel up to my parents house. I was gonna try to buff it a bit to see if it would clear up some. I can't imagine that sand paper would be the way to go. So many questions but this is how the learning process works. Swiz (in reply to JOETHECROW) Post #: 5

RE: 1st attempt bottle repair - 9/21/2011 10:44:58 PM    carobran   Posts: 3338 Joined: 6/10/2011 From: Heart of Dixie Status: offline well,other than the fact that the repair looks like its glowing i think it looks ok............at least now you wont slice you finger on it _____________________________ PROUD TO BE FROM THE SOUTH! (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 6

RE: 1st attempt bottle repair - 9/21/2011 11:19:40 PM    JOETHECROW Posts: 9789 Joined: 9/3/2005 From: Northwestern Pa. (Near scenic Lake Perfidy) Status: offline Swiz,...how about a dam or mold made of scotch tape? I've heard of that used.. _____________________________ Joe ``````````````````````````````````` In the woods we return to reason and faith. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooTyuRd9zSg&feature=related (in reply to carobran) Post #: 7

RE: 1st attempt bottle repair - 9/21/2011 11:23:46 PM    cyberdigger Posts: 12267 Joined: 11/29/2008 From: I 195 @ US 9, NJ USA Status: online At least let the clay dry completely, then coat the inside of the mold with urethane or wax or something.. shelaquer maybe.. I also think the paint you tinted it with had too many solids in it's constitution.. but you were dam close with the color, I gotta say..! (in reply to JOETHECROW) Post #: 8

RE: 1st attempt bottle repair - 9/21/2011 11:56:10 PM    AntiqueMeds   Posts: 1966 Joined: 3/6/2009 From: Frederick, MD. Status: offline using paint for coloring is definately a problem. You should use an organic dye. _____________________________ My web site - http://www.AntiqueMedicines.com/ Medicine BLOG : http://antiquemedicines.com/blog/ Email me : mknapp@antiquemedicines.com (in reply to cyberdigger) Post #: 9

RE: 1st attempt bottle repair - 9/21/2011 11:57:35 PM    cyberdigger Posts: 12267 Joined: 11/29/2008 From: I 195 @ US 9, NJ USA Status: online Would food coloring work? < Message edited by cyberdigger -- 9/22/2011 12:00:53 AM > (in reply to AntiqueMeds) Post #: 10

RE: 1st attempt bottle repair - 9/22/2011 1:26:52 PM    Btl_Dvr   Posts: 50 Joined: 9/29/2006 From: Wilmington, NC Status: offline Swiz, check this site out. http://www.dickblick.com/products/castincraft-transparent-dyes/ You need a dye not a paint. The paint is made to cover things up due to the solids it has, probably why the fix was more opaque than you wanted. Think stains that tint but allow woodgrain etc. to be seen underneath. Jay _____________________________ My favorite bottle? The one I'm holding at the time. (in reply to cyberdigger) Post #: 11

RE: 1st attempt bottle repair - 9/22/2011 4:00:38 PM    swizzle Posts: 3596 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline quote: ORIGINAL: JOETHECROW Swiz,...how about a dam or mold made of scotch tape? I've heard of that used.. I've heard of the scotch tape trick as well. It just seems like it would create more of a straight line between the edges of the chip. I keep picturing the top looking like an O but with the tape more of a C with a straight line where the chip is. Btl_Dvr I'll check out that link for sure. Cyber, that does make sense about the paint. I may even have to try food coloring just as an experiment. Worse that could happen is that I wasted another day trying to perfect my technique. Hardly wasting my time as long as I'm learning though. Swiz (in reply to JOETHECROW) Post #: 12

RE: 1st attempt bottle repair - 9/22/2011 4:05:32 PM    AntiqueMeds   Posts: 1966 Joined: 3/6/2009 From: Frederick, MD. Status: offline dont use food coloring it fades in light. use quality dyes. _____________________________ My web site - http://www.AntiqueMedicines.com/ Medicine BLOG : http://antiquemedicines.com/blog/ Email me : mknapp@antiquemedicines.com (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 13

RE: 1st attempt bottle repair - 9/22/2011 4:13:04 PM    cyberdigger Posts: 12267 Joined: 11/29/2008 From: I 195 @ US 9, NJ USA Status: online ..how about RIT? (in reply to AntiqueMeds) Post #: 14

RE: 1st attempt bottle repair - 9/22/2011 4:22:26 PM    AntiqueMeds   Posts: 1966 Joined: 3/6/2009 From: Frederick, MD. Status: offline no idea, I would use organic art dyes. _____________________________ My web site - http://www.AntiqueMedicines.com/ Medicine BLOG : http://antiquemedicines.com/blog/ Email me : mknapp@antiquemedicines.com (in reply to cyberdigger) Post #: 15

RE: 1st attempt bottle repair - 9/22/2011 4:29:21 PM    AntiqueMeds   Posts: 1966 Joined: 3/6/2009 From: Frederick, MD. Status: offline something like Orasol dyes would be good. _____________________________ My web site - http://www.AntiqueMedicines.com/ Medicine BLOG : http://antiquemedicines.com/blog/ Email me : mknapp@antiquemedicines.com (in reply to AntiqueMeds) Post #: 16

RE: 1st attempt bottle repair - 9/23/2011 6:38:34 AM    logueb   Posts: 2885 Joined: 1/6/2007 Status: offline They make a glass stain.  You can get  translucent glass paint that will allow the light to shine through. A small kit with the various colors would allow you to mix until you get a good match on the green.  This is just a thought and may not work at all.  I bought a glass/bottle cutting kit back in the 70s and played around with it a little bit.  Just a thought.  Buster _____________________________ Buster Bottle Bug Bit with no cure in sight. (in reply to AntiqueMeds) Post #: 17

RE: 1st attempt bottle repair - 9/25/2011 8:09:38 AM    swizzle Posts: 3596 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline I popped out the old chunk yesterday to make way for my next attempt at repairing. I tried the tape trick and it seems to be fine for the back side of the chip but the front and larger part of the chip it would only make a straight line. So I decided to glob some more air dry clay on the side that is good and wait for it to dry. I should be able to use it by the end of today. I'll probably have to tape it in place but it should work. For tinting I actually found Emerald stain in the painting section. I bought food coloring too but there's no way I'm gonna use it if its gonna fade in time. I want a good solid repair that will stand the test of time. I'll most likely buy a few of those tinting agents in the next week. One other question I have is about the epoxy. I noticed when I popped it out it was about the consistency of hard rubber. I could also dent it with my fingernail. I would like a repair that is just as hard as the glass.  Is there an epoxy that will do that? Swiz (in reply to logueb) Post #: 18

RE: 1st attempt bottle repair - 9/25/2011 8:30:36 AM    appliedlips Posts: 3506 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline Hxtal, is a resin that will harden to the point it can be ground and polished. It is pricey,though. I started out with Castin Craft casting resin available at Michael's craft stores. You can buy a kit of dyes in primary colors made for it. _____________________________ LOOKING FOR PONTILLED OR EARLY SQUAT SODAS FROM HIGHLAND,ILLNOIS.. (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 19

RE: 1st attempt bottle repair - 9/25/2011 9:05:04 AM    swizzle Posts: 3596 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline Is there a cheaper alternative to hxtal. It just doesn't seem like that little bottle would go very far. If I could repair a dozen bottles with that one bottle then maybe but with experimenting with colors I don't believe it'd be worth it. At least not until I get my color matching skills down.  (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 20

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