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A. BICKFORD L.SYRUP MAKER - 10/5/2008 9:56:26 PM    appliedlips Posts: 1673 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: online    Looking for help on this bottle dug from an 1840's-50's hole.It is embossed on its base A. BICKFORD L. SYRUP MAKER.The base is fluted and has a rough pontil scar.Although is embossed Syrup,I have a feeling it could be a medicine (lung syrup?).Looking for some info.Thanks in advance,Doug Attachment (1) _____________________________ I WOULD LIKE TO BUY OR TRADE FOR YOUR COLORED,AND OR EMBOSSED CATHEDRAL PEPPERSAUCE BOTTLES.I AM ALSO LOOKING FOR EMBOSSED MIDWESTERN ALES IN ANY COLOR. Post #: 1

RE: A. BICKFORD L.SYRUP MAKER - 10/5/2008 9:57:00 PM    appliedlips Posts: 1673 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: online     the base Attachment (1) _____________________________ I WOULD LIKE TO BUY OR TRADE FOR YOUR COLORED,AND OR EMBOSSED CATHEDRAL PEPPERSAUCE BOTTLES.I AM ALSO LOOKING FOR EMBOSSED MIDWESTERN ALES IN ANY COLOR. (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 2

RE: A. BICKFORD L.SYRUP MAKER - 10/6/2008 9:07:30 AM    bottlediger Posts: 1446 Joined: 2/19/2006 From: York Pa Status: offline Never seen anything like that over hear on the east coast, very cool looking base bra! Digger Ry _____________________________ Professional Tumbling Services Digger Ry Style My Tumbling Page (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 3

RE: A. BICKFORD L.SYRUP MAKER - 10/6/2008 10:07:27 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 5111 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: online interesting bottle, dont see many pontil marked bottles with base embossing. The only Bickford medicine I can think of is Bickford's liver compound from Malden Mass. That was Mrs Clark Bickford. While its possible it could be something like Liver Syrup I would have to assume its a food bottle until proven otherwise. That is a classic sauce form and for the most part products matched bottle forms. Always exceptions out there though. If it was a med , the odd form would make it that much more desirable. Good luck researching it. Try searching for lemon syrup , that was a product in mid 18th cent... < Message edited by GuntherHess -- 10/6/2008 10:19:21 AM > _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 4

RE: A. BICKFORD L.SYRUP MAKER - 10/6/2008 11:00:29 AM    downeastdigger Posts: 1366 Joined: 8/22/2005 From: Crawling through the mud and briars of Eliot Maine Status: offline What an incredible bottle! Is the base embossed or debossed? _____________________________ Bram Get busy diggin, or get busy dyin' http://www.GreatBayCatering.com (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 5

RE: A. BICKFORD L.SYRUP MAKER - 10/6/2008 12:31:05 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 5111 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: online it looks debossed in the photo. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to downeastdigger) Post #: 6

RE: A. BICKFORD L.SYRUP MAKER - 10/6/2008 12:34:10 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 5111 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: online quote: A. BICKFORD I wonder if its somehow related to this family? http://www.bickfords.net/main/index_heritage.html _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 7

RE: A. BICKFORD L.SYRUP MAKER - 10/7/2008 1:06:56 PM    KentOhio   Posts: 728 Joined: 9/13/2004 Status: offline I think it would be lemon syrup. I checked all the A. Bickfords over 20 in the 1860 census.  About 90% were farmers. I did find Alphonse Bickford, age 47, in Strafford, New Hampshire who was a physician. (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 8

RE: A. BICKFORD L.SYRUP MAKER - 10/7/2008 7:48:26 PM    citydigger   Posts: 81 Joined: 7/26/2007 Status: offline That base looks de-bossed. That's an early example. They used to refire the base and then press the base against a embossed iron plate. That one is early and crude. Nice bottle. (in reply to KentOhio) Post #: 9

RE: A. BICKFORD L.SYRUP MAKER - 10/7/2008 10:40:20 PM    appliedlips Posts: 1673 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: online      Thanks for the all the input.I am suprised no one has seen this bottle before.Lemon syrup sounds like a good      bet to me.The bottle is very large,just a little smaller than a qt. blob beer.        The base is embossed and the pontil is still rough and not refired.It could not be tubular because of the the      texture and is broken up but it is sharp.      Hopefully someone will no some more about it. _____________________________ I WOULD LIKE TO BUY OR TRADE FOR YOUR COLORED,AND OR EMBOSSED CATHEDRAL PEPPERSAUCE BOTTLES.I AM ALSO LOOKING FOR EMBOSSED MIDWESTERN ALES IN ANY COLOR. (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 10

RE: A. BICKFORD L.SYRUP MAKER - 10/7/2008 10:49:03 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 5111 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: online I'm wondering if it might be a British import? Looks like a sticky ball pontil like you see on some of the early import bottles. May make it a bit harder to research. Take a look at where the other food bottles with that odd kickup style come from and it may give you a clue. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 11

RE: A. BICKFORD L.SYRUP MAKER - 10/7/2008 11:18:16 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 5111 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: online I notice that looking at old druggist texts there are references to terms such as L. SYRUP MARSH MALLOW.  I havent figured what the L. is for. May be something obvious I am just missing. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 12

RE: A. BICKFORD L.SYRUP MAKER - 10/12/2008 10:25:42 PM    appliedlips Posts: 1673 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: online       Matt, Sorry I didn't notice your last posts.I wondered about it being English too but have seen sauces and whiskeys with stairstepped,pontilled bases with the same type of pontil.They were American so who knows.You may be onto something with the "L." preceeding other words.I hope someone will know know something about it.I am stumped.I don't intend on selling it so I have nothing but time to find out about it. _____________________________ I WOULD LIKE TO BUY OR TRADE FOR YOUR COLORED,AND OR EMBOSSED CATHEDRAL PEPPERSAUCE BOTTLES.I AM ALSO LOOKING FOR EMBOSSED MIDWESTERN ALES IN ANY COLOR. (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 13

RE: A. BICKFORD L.SYRUP MAKER - 10/12/2008 11:05:13 PM    Michdigger   Posts: 78 Joined: 3/5/2007 Status: online That is a Killer Bottle...Cannot help with any info but enjoyed seeing it..Hope its a goody..Actually i had to edit my post because i forgot to ask you, do you think that bottom was refired and the ???? Oh crap..I just love it and have never seen anything like it. < Message edited by Michdigger -- 10/12/2008 11:11:45 PM > (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 14

RE: A. BICKFORD L.SYRUP MAKER - 10/13/2008 5:28:07 AM    TROG   Posts: 247 Joined: 9/27/2004 From: South Australia Status: offline Hi Gunther. A M Bickford of Adelaide, Australia  did have a branch in New York but do not think this was established until around 1900. The above bottle posted by Doug appears to have a typical U S style lip and have not seen this lip on any bottle from England. The Bickford family was quite large and there are wine bottles with applied seals from the late 1700,s from their family estate in Devon, England quote: ORIGINAL: GuntherHess quote: A. BICKFORD I wonder if its somehow related to this family? http://www.bickfords.net/main/index_heritage.html _____________________________ AMERICAN POT LIDS WANTED (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 15

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