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ATTENTION muriatic acid users! A warning! - 6/28/2011 2:38:49 PM   
Wheelah23


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Status: offline 		DO NOT USE MURIATIC ACID ON PORCELAIN STOPPERS! I ruined two local porcelain stoppers for the Hutter closure by doing this. The stenciling on the top is now so faded as to be almost unreadable. They were rusty, and Lime-Away says not to use it on old porcelain, so I thought acid would work well... WRONG! It ruined them

I hope I can find replacements, but one of them was to an extremely rare local blob

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RE: ATTENTION muriatic acid users! A warning! - 6/28/2011 6:13:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry Conner but you should have asked, I could have told you that. Even a transfer under glaze is not safe in that stuff. Any pottery type ware is a no no in a strong acid, especially if it's crazed. Lime Away is a more dilute form of a few different acids and other ingredients.

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RE: ATTENTION muriatic acid users! A warning! - 6/28/2011 6:17:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		got to be careful putting hydrochloric acid (muriatic) on any ceramics. It may not affect glass but it can do a number on other stuff

< Message edited by GuntherHess -- 6/28/2011 6:18:45 PM >

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RE: ATTENTION muriatic acid users! A warning! - 6/28/2011 10:00:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		A friend put some bottles in a five gal bucket with some acid in it..in an out building.The next day anything that could rust was rusted..lawn mower etc.So evidently even the vapors it puts off in a closed place rusts metal..JAMIE

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RE: ATTENTION muriatic acid users! A warning! - 6/29/2011 3:44:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Your right, and it will rust stuff from about fifty feet away in a big barn or shed

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RE: ATTENTION muriatic acid users! A warning! - 6/29/2011 5:24:16 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: cowseatmaize

Sorry Conner but you should have asked, I could have told you that. Even a transfer under glaze is not safe in that stuff. Any pottery type ware is a no no in a strong acid, especially if it's crazed. Lime Away is a more dilute form of a few different acids and other ingredients.


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RE: ATTENTION muriatic acid users! A warning! - 6/29/2011 5:24:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: andy volkerts

Your right, and it will rust stuff from about fifty feet away in a big barn or shed


or a basement


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RE: ATTENTION muriatic acid users! A warning! - 6/29/2011 11:46:18 PM   
Wheelah23


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Status: offline 		I thought it was safe to use because I first tried it on a stopper with no stenciling... There were no ill effects. Oh well, derp and learn.

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RE: ATTENTION muriatic acid users! A warning! - 6/30/2011 5:09:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Real Lemon lemon juice works great on porcelain.  Just drop your hutter's into a coffe cup of it and go back in a few hours to check on it.

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RE: ATTENTION muriatic acid users! A warning! - 6/30/2011 2:50:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		It will damage the stenciling only if it is weak and/or poorly glazed. I have acid bathed many hundreds of bottles with Hutter stoppers and only the poorly made ones suffered ill effects. Zip, zam zoom, the wasted rusty bail disappears, along with any rust on the rest of the bottle. Use it ONLY out of doors in a large space that is free and clear of obstruction.

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RE: ATTENTION muriatic acid users! A warning! - 6/30/2011 3:25:43 PM   
Wheelah23


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ORIGINAL: CALDIGR2

It will damage the stenciling only if it is weak and/or poorly glazed. I have acid bathed many hundreds of bottles with Hutter stoppers and only the poorly made ones suffered ill effects. Zip, zam zoom, the wasted rusty bail disappears, along with any rust on the rest of the bottle. Use it ONLY out of doors in a large space that is free and clear of obstruction.


That seems to be the case here. One of the stoppers' stenciling was completely removed, while one only faded a little bit. I'm still not going to try it on others, but it only ruined one of them, to be honest.

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RE: ATTENTION muriatic acid users! A warning! - 6/30/2011 3:55:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		This sucks Connor because I know you had a few nice local's...

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RE: ATTENTION muriatic acid users! A warning! - 6/30/2011 6:13:40 PM   
Wheelah23


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Status: offline 		The Giblin is the one that got only a little faded. That was the more common one

The super rare J. Henderson is the one that's unreadable. Of course that's the way it works... The worst part is that the glaze was unaffected. They're still just as shiny as before. It's just the stenciling that's eaten away. And to add insult to insult to insult to injury, the base part of the Henderson stopper, where it says "PAT'D K. HUTTER", etc., was completely unaffected. Only the top, where it has the important information, was ruined

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RE: ATTENTION muriatic acid users! A warning! - 6/30/2011 6:25:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry buddy, I know how you feel, I cherish my original stoppers..

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RE: ATTENTION muriatic acid users! A warning! - 7/13/2011 12:24:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		you most likley covered this but is the murittic acid ok on embossed bottles? What is the ratio and length of time to let them soak? I am assuming it would destroy ACL bottles>

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RE: ATTENTION muriatic acid users! A warning! - 7/13/2011 12:41:12 PM   
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RE: ATTENTION muriatic acid users! A warning! - 7/13/2011 1:08:20 PM   
CALDIGR2


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Status: offline 		Years ago we dug the site of a brewery in Stockton, CA that had literally thousands of porcelain stoppers. I brought home enough to fill a 25 gallon paper drum and cleaned all of them in muriatic diluted 25% by water. The rust was gone, but the stoppers were unharmed. They were slowly sold for 25ยข each.

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RE: ATTENTION muriatic acid users! A warning! - 7/13/2011 1:53:03 PM   
Wheelah23


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Status: offline 		I guess it makes sense that only the poorly made ones were ruined.

I used a solution of probably 1/4 acid, the rest water... It works wonders on rusty/dirty bottles, though!

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RE: ATTENTION muriatic acid users! A warning! - 7/14/2011 12:52:33 AM   
splante


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Status: offline 		thanks wheelah thats sound like a safe ratio for me to try it out

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RE: ATTENTION muriatic acid users! A warning! - 7/14/2011 10:18:43 AM   
Wheelah23


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Status: offline 		I wouldn't try it on ACL's... Just my guess. I leave 'em in for abut a week, just to be sure the job gets done. It won't damage embossed bottles, but from now on, I'm not going to risk anything else.

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