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Acid instead of tumbling? - 8/18/2006 5:34:27 PM    Bottleman Posts: 936 Joined: 9/3/2004 From: Central Pennsylvania Status: offline Check out this site I found. Has anyone ever tried this method before? What are the results compared to tumbling. This idea seams a lost faster than tumbling but more dangerous to you and the bottle. ~~Tom http://www.geocities.com/bottleman100/index.htm Post #: 1

RE: Acid instead of tumbling? - 8/18/2006 8:31:05 PM    Bottle tumbler   Posts: 370 Joined: 4/5/2004 From: Noxen pa Status: offline Very intresting to say the least..... But I may be wrong, but mixing acids can or may explode, I dont know but if i remember right, your not to mix acids. plus it sure sounds like they had or have an axe to grind with tumblers. If you use acid and it eats the scratchs and dings off it will also eat the lettering it is raised, and there is no telling by what was said if it was an even removeal oe spotty. I have a real problem with stories that dont give pictures or the excate way of doing it. just a very little info to inject doubt or couriosity, plus they did say thousands of bottles later, just think of the cost of acids and pails. if they use a metal can it would be gone in one or two days and all them acids would just, well you get the picture, it's just a bunch of hillbillies with nothing better to do i guess, hey vern lets see what happens to the cat iffing we throwest it inst the pail of acids?? dang vern it just plum done gonst away (in reply to Bottleman) Post #: 2

RE: Acid instead of tumbling? - 8/18/2006 11:53:35 PM    Bottleman Posts: 936 Joined: 9/3/2004 From: Central Pennsylvania Status: offline Thanks Bottle Tumbler for your advice. When I first read it, it sounded like an amazing miracle for cleaning bottles but the old saying goes, “if it’s too good to be true it probably is”. I would guess it will work pretty good for cleaning bottles but if it was that easy, everyone would be using that instead of a tumbler which is much more expensive. I know some acids will eat glass and that is how they acid etch bottles but I would be scared to put a valuable bottle in that acid mixture. It’s hard to believe that you will get a “like new” polish off of acid too.   ~~tom < Message edited by Bottleman -- 8/18/2006 11:59:54 PM > (in reply to Bottle tumbler) Post #: 3

RE: Acid instead of tumbling? - 8/19/2006 10:00:03 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 11470 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline Don't know if it would work but it would be very dangerous. Hydroflouric and sulfuric acids are not to be fooled with lightly. I dont think anyone has been killed tumbling bottles yet. i'll stick to that method. _____________________________ FREE Online Medicine Guide - http://www.antiquemedicines.com/MedicineNexus/Nexus.htm Web Site - http://antiquemedicines.com Email : mknapp@antiquemedicines.com (in reply to Bottleman) Post #: 4

RE: Acid instead of tumbling? - 8/19/2006 9:33:41 PM    tazmainiendigger Posts: 1003 Joined: 11/21/2003 From: State O Maine Status: offline Sounds like it would work to me , but it would generate lotsa excess acid to get rid of....If it was set up in a industrial type setting, more power to it, but not in my back yard ! Taz (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 5

RE: Acid instead of tumbling? - 8/20/2006 12:48:16 PM    capsoda Posts: 9832 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline I have usd Hydrofloric Acid to clean the haze from the inside of bottles and it is pretty safe and easy to use but Sulfuric is dangerous stuff. You would need plenty of baking soda dissolved in water, cleanwater and a large box of baking soda on hand. I may check into this futher. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ http://www.bornagainamerican.org (in reply to tazmainiendigger) Post #: 6

RE: Acid instead of tumbling? - 8/20/2006 6:53:00 PM    Mike O Posts: 758 Joined: 12/26/2005 Status: offline I have used muriautic acid it works well on gunk but it won't touch  "SICK" glass I am just curious enough to try this method I am going to think about it! (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 7

RE: Acid instead of tumbling? - 8/20/2006 10:21:08 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 11470 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline May want to browse some medical sites before fooling with the hydrofluoric...it can be nasty stuff. http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic804.htm < Message edited by GuntherHess -- 8/20/2006 10:22:03 PM > _____________________________ FREE Online Medicine Guide - http://www.antiquemedicines.com/MedicineNexus/Nexus.htm Web Site - http://antiquemedicines.com Email : mknapp@antiquemedicines.com (in reply to Mike O) Post #: 8

RE: Acid instead of tumbling? - 8/21/2006 10:40:28 AM    downeastdigger Posts: 3160 Joined: 8/22/2005 From: Crawling through the mud and briars of Eliot Maine Status: offline HI Bottleman It is my belief that using acids ( I use miuriatic acid ) works very well on bottles from the turn of the century and newer best. It is great on rust especially. I use it on my cheaper bottles that would take a long time to wash, and they wound up sitting in crates otherwise. Older bottles, ( 120 yrs + ), that are "sick" have been buried longer, often times in ash and mineral soil, and it has damaged the surface of the glass on a microscopic level. If you soak these in acid, you can soak and soak, but it won't get rid of sickness, and may eventually cause "pitting' on the glass which is even worse. Tumbling these bottles, wears off the surface off the glass and creates a new surface, then it is polished in the second phase of tumbling. So it isn't actually "cleaning" the bottle, but rather giving it a new surface. I may be wrong, but thats what I believe to be true. I dont follow directions well, so I usually fail using both methods, so maybe dont listen to me! :) Bram (in reply to Bottleman) Post #: 9

RE: Acid instead of tumbling? - 8/21/2006 11:26:15 AM    Bottleman Posts: 936 Joined: 9/3/2004 From: Central Pennsylvania Status: offline Bram, I sometimes use miuriatic acid to clean medicine and rust stains out of bottles but I know it won’t take white haze out. His idea is similar to tumbling because it takes a layer of glass off too but I just don’t get how it will make it shinny and not etch it like the process of “acid etching”. ~~Tom (in reply to downeastdigger) Post #: 10

RE: Acid instead of tumbling? - 8/21/2006 3:46:59 PM    capsoda Posts: 9832 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline I beleave the acid breaks down the damaged layers of glass but takes longer to break down the undamaged glass underneath. Washing the bottle after the damaged layer is loose should leave a shiny layer. Both these acids are very hazardous and can kill. I would not handle them unless I were very familiar with the handling, dangers and disposal of them and I sure would not use them if I had children still living with me. As I said I have used hydrofloric acid to take the haze out of the inside of bottles but it will etch the crap out of the outside.I guess it is an exposure thing. < Message edited by capsoda -- 8/21/2006 3:49:46 PM > _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ http://www.bornagainamerican.org (in reply to Bottleman) Post #: 11

RE: Acid instead of tumbling? - 8/22/2006 7:46:06 AM    Bottle tumbler   Posts: 370 Joined: 4/5/2004 From: Noxen pa Status: offline acid makes sence if your removing rust and tough dirt, but to get a shinny surface? well thats impossible, if you disagree with me, then explain acid etching, why don't you get a shinny surface from that? rick (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 12

RE: Acid instead of tumbling? - 8/22/2006 9:36:47 AM    capsoda Posts: 9832 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline When using acid to etch you are using acid mixed a certian way and it is washed off with water after a certian amount of time. If you wipe the glass it can produce a shine. I have access to the acids necessary to try it but I am doutbful that it will produce the desired results and thats why I tumble my bottles. If i do try it I don't know that I would post the results. As Matt and I have stated the acid mixture that would be used can cause serious injury and death. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ http://www.bornagainamerican.org (in reply to Bottle tumbler) Post #: 13

RE: Acid instead of tumbling? - 8/23/2006 1:26:20 PM    downeastdigger Posts: 3160 Joined: 8/22/2005 From: Crawling through the mud and briars of Eliot Maine Status: offline Thanks for the info Cap, and others. It's interesting stuff. I'll stick with my diluted Meuriatic acid, and / or tumbling for my better stuff. bram (in reply to Bottleman) Post #: 14

RE: Acid instead of tumbling? - 8/30/2006 12:33:25 AM    stinger haut   Posts: 517 Joined: 6/7/2006 Status: offline This idea of using a combination of highly dangerous acids is very dangerous for anyone that isn't experienced in handling them. The proper disposal of these products would be very difficult at best. Lets see some pictures of bottles that have been cleaned using this method. It may take longer to cut and clean a bottle the old fashion way, but tumbling is a proven, safer method. It sounds like a half baked idea without any proof. Stinger Haut (in reply to Bottleman) Post #: 15

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