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Amber Pontilled Vase with Metal encasement? - 12/2/2007 12:38:36 AM    skampler   Posts: 47 Joined: 8/1/2007 Status: offline Not too sure what to call this. I don't know anything about this piece, expect for it looks old, and has a deep pontil scar. If anyone knows anything on the date, maker, type value or any information it would be great to know!! Thanks!! Post #: 1

RE: Amber Pontilled Vase with Metal encasement? - 12/2/2007 9:44:00 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 4733 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline my guess would be last half of the 20th century, from somewhere south of the border. Those loops are interesting, maybe for attaching a floral decoration? _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to skampler) Post #: 2

RE: Amber Pontilled Vase with Metal encasement? - 12/2/2007 10:12:26 AM    skampler   Posts: 47 Joined: 8/1/2007 Status: offline How can you tell if it comes from south of the border? I thought that if a piece of glass had a pontil scar, then it would date around or before 1860s. Just wondering. (in reply to skampler) Post #: 3

RE: Amber Pontilled Vase with Metal encasement? - 12/2/2007 11:38:52 AM    lobeycat Posts: 3459 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: online The pontil scar is still found on modern pieces of art glass, such as yours. A bottle with a pontil scar will date from the 1860's all the way back to the dawn of donkeys. Your piece has all the earmarks of Mexican even European  design. The tin work (does tin rust?) is crude and not very well done. Not a good sign of early craftsmanship. Like Gunth suggested, the loops might be to attach some kind of vegetation of they might be used for attaching a knotted hanger type thing. Lobes. _____________________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ye8GLPUVsM&feature : ) (in reply to skampler) Post #: 4

RE: Amber Pontilled Vase with Metal encasement? - 12/2/2007 8:59:04 PM    lobeycat Posts: 3459 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: online Think he bought it? We could probably get it for mere pennies now! _____________________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ye8GLPUVsM&feature : ) (in reply to lobeycat) Post #: 5

RE: Amber Pontilled Vase with Metal encasement? - 12/2/2007 10:17:26 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 4733 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline quote: How can you tell if it comes from south of the border? I thought that if a piece of glass had a pontil scar, then it would date around or before 1860s. Just wondering. A pontil mark by itself is not a definate indication of age. There is glass being blown today that is pontil marked. I cant tell you for sure that this came from Mexico, or India, Bulgaria or whereever but the glass/metal look and workmanship makes me think its imported and not exceptionally old. Mexico was the first thought that came to mind. Just my opinion of course. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to skampler) Post #: 6

RE: Amber Pontilled Vase with Metal encasement? - 12/2/2007 10:26:55 PM    lobeycat Posts: 3459 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: online yeah what he said....btw does tin rust? _____________________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ye8GLPUVsM&feature : ) (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 7

RE: Amber Pontilled Vase with Metal encasement? - 12/2/2007 11:01:40 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 4733 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline no, tin does not rust, rust is a chemical reaction involving iron. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to lobeycat) Post #: 8

RE: Amber Pontilled Vase with Metal encasement? - 12/2/2007 11:03:54 PM    lobeycat Posts: 3459 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: online so the metal work on the multi testicaled vessel is...... _____________________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ye8GLPUVsM&feature : ) (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 9

RE: Amber Pontilled Vase with Metal encasement? - 12/2/2007 11:13:55 PM    California Dream N   Posts: 182 Joined: 12/28/2006 Status: offline Geezzz Lobey even I know tin don't rust and I am a female...Back to school for you...lol.    .. Norene (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 10

RE: Amber Pontilled Vase with Metal encasement? - 12/2/2007 11:31:44 PM    lobeycat Posts: 3459 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: online tiiiiiiiiiin roof....rusted _____________________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ye8GLPUVsM&feature : ) (in reply to California Dream N) Post #: 11

RE: Amber Pontilled Vase with Metal encasement? - 12/2/2007 11:36:34 PM    California Dream N   Posts: 182 Joined: 12/28/2006 Status: offline Cheap tin Lobey..Buy quality..As in Real tin...lol.. Norene (in reply to lobeycat) Post #: 12

RE: Amber Pontilled Vase with Metal encasement? - 12/3/2007 8:24:03 AM    Jim1870 Posts: 243 Joined: 7/7/2007 Status: offline Rusty fellow as I recall Attachment (1) (in reply to California Dream N) Post #: 13

RE: Amber Pontilled Vase with Metal encasement? - 12/3/2007 8:38:48 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 4733 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline Tin roofs, tin cans , and tin men were mostly made of steel (iron). Most things called "tin" are just tin plated to help prevent rusting. I'm not sure if that glass item of interest is rusted or corroded. Its hard to say from a photo but it looks like the metal may be a base metal plated with zinc. Just a guess. < Message edited by GuntherHess -- 12/3/2007 8:40:34 AM > _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to Jim1870) Post #: 14

RE: Amber Pontilled Vase with Metal encasement? - 12/8/2007 11:01:46 AM    whiskeyman Posts: 2012 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline SKAMPLER...I tend to agree ....modern made.... either Mexican, Italian,  or Spanish.  Matt...zinc coated or,  could be - galvanised metalwork. _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc....and... Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 15

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