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Amethyst the color of greed and deception - 2/1/2008 12:32:58 AM   
Arob

 

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Status: offline 		What do you say to a bottle dealer with irradiated glass bottles on his table? Do you scold him for being a dishonest tramp? or remark on what pretty purple colors his bottles are...?

I wrote about the proliferation of 'sun colored amethyst' bottles in my last Dumpdiggers blog post - and in the course of researching the phenomenon I came across quite a few pieces on eBay and one slippery fellow who calls himself Digger Dave.What's the deal here? Does eBay not care that Dave is selling deception?

What do you folks think of irradiated glass ?




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RE: Amethyst the color of greed and deception - 2/1/2008 1:03:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		i did not know what irradiated was but now i do i like your writing on it i dont like anything that doesnt look natural in color i have found many in a very light amythest colors but they were natural from sun i also found old door knobs in very light sun colored but i hate the purple i think they ruin the natural color of the bottle and i myself dont start any trouble with anyone i just would rather walk away from the table or skip the add unless it is a bottle that is a natural purple color just my veiw on thanks  godd question bob

p.s if you watch on ebay you will see one guy who post with a american flag on a desk in the back round i was always woundering if the bottle were painted or something

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RE: Amethyst the color of greed and deception - 2/1/2008 8:40:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Some people like them , some people dont.  Its really a matter of taste. I dont mind lightly colored bottles but I dont like the very dark ones that look like there is no way they could have got that color from natural UV.
This has been discussed quite a bit before.

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RE: Amethyst the color of greed and deception - 2/1/2008 9:25:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can't stand the "purpling" of bottles, but I will say that I have traded with Digger Dave and he seems to be a very nice guy. He does explain the whole coloring process in each of his auctions, so I do not think he is being slippery or dishonest. The ones who attempt to call the color natural or original are doing a disservice to themselves and the hobby. A collector certainly needs to do his/her homework if collecting this color!

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RE: Amethyst the color of greed and deception - 2/1/2008 9:31:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I see no problem doing this what so ever no matter how light or how dark purple the bottle was made. Well unless its an extremly rare bottle with only a few examples known then I feel it shouldnt be done to that perticular bottle. But if the seller can state that the bottle was not naturally purple and was later changed to purple and the buyer is cool with that, there is no problem what so ever. If the seller hides the fact that the bottles were changed to purple or states that they were orig. made that way, that then is a big no no. My thoughts  only. I personally do not like rad purple bottles but if others do that is their thing and more power to them. They just need all the facts on why that bottle is purple

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RE: Amethyst the color of greed and deception - 2/1/2008 10:51:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, I have also dealt with Digger Dave and I havent had any problems with him.


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RE: Amethyst the color of greed and deception - 2/1/2008 11:49:13 AM   
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Status: online 		I've had dealings with this guy and he seems pretty straight forward. Never bought a purpled bottle and probably never will. Just don't like the look of them. Digger Dave does mention he has altered some of his bottles...
 
"Some of my amethyst bottles and glass are purpled from years of exposure to natural sunlight. Others have been purpled with the use of strong UV lights in a box…and some have been purpled by a process called “irradiation”, which is a safe and permanent process which does the same thing as many years of exposure to natural sunlight, except much faster. I HAVE MANY BEAUTIFUL AMETHYST BOTTLES FOR SALE IN MY EBAY STORE, SO CHECK EM OUT!"
 
So slippery fellow doesn't really fit in this case. Check your facts.
Like I said, I don't like the look of them, but some do. I suppose it's a way of enhancing an otherwise plain, low end bottle and probably helps sell them to new collectors or someone looking for an accent piece for a display.
If you don't like them, don't buy 'em. Being naturally sun colored doesn't add any monetary value to a bottle and turning them by some artificial means will most certainly devalue an already low value bottle. Either way they look cheap!

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RE: Amethyst the color of greed and deception - 2/1/2008 9:39:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes I didnt mean to go so hard on Dave. He looks like a nice guy. And he doesn't seem like the type of guy that would have a gamme radiation machine in his basement... Do you think he's got a the gamma radiation machine? or does he know somebody? there can be no doubt that he's close to the source.
I'm thinking that maybe he's straight up about the damage he does, and maybe his clients are all cool, but what about the people they sell to? and the people they sell to? will they be as informed?


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RE: Amethyst the color of greed and deception - 2/1/2008 9:43:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		     I say nice bottles where did you have them done Dave is not out to decieve anybody with his listings just make a buck on what was otherwise junk to toss back in the hole.THAT IS THE EBAY WAY!

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RE: Amethyst the color of greed and deception - 2/1/2008 11:30:06 PM   
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gamma radiation machine


I dont think Digger Dave is fooling around with gamma rays 

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RE: Amethyst the color of greed and deception - 2/1/2008 11:38:49 PM   
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I dont think Digger Dave is fooling around with gamma rays


Doc Bruce Banner was belted by gamma rays and look where it got him...

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RE: Amethyst the color of greed and deception - 2/2/2008 9:13:10 AM   
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look where it got him


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RE: Amethyst the color of greed and deception - 2/2/2008 5:53:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is digger Dave  an alien?

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RE: Amethyst the color of greed and deception - 2/3/2008 8:48:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lobeycat

... So slippery fellow doesn't really fit in this case. ...


Nope, it doesn't; Digger Dave is being perfectly honest about what he's offering, and I have no problem with that. Here's the real ebay cretin (one of many):

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180208862948

He hides bidder IDs now because I ruined too many sales for him by telling the bidders what was going on. I've become less of a crusader since then because irradiation is so common that if a bottle buyer doesn't know about it and buys a zapped bottle for a high price then I think they deserve to learn that lesson the hard way. Cold maybe, but hey.

Sean

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RE: Amethyst the color of greed and deception - 2/3/2008 8:57:31 AM   
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   How many in his pic of 5 bottles do you think have been irradiatied?

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RE: Amethyst the color of greed and deception - 2/3/2008 8:58:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pupman

Is digger Dave  an alien?


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RE: Amethyst the color of greed and deception - 2/3/2008 12:07:21 PM   
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   Sean,

  How many in his pic of 5 bottles do you think have been irradiatied?


I think he irradiates almost everything that will change, the one in the center is definitely irradiated and the "topaz" one to the right as well. The one on the left: probably, but I only say that because I know the guy is a scumbag (IMHO).

Sean

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RE: Amethyst the color of greed and deception - 2/3/2008 5:05:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		      I ask because alot of folks don't realize that blue one is probably nuked too.Aqua can and will turn cornflower blue,alot of "funky blue" hutches and squats have been being sold by another character on ebay of late.That seller lists his purples upfront and honest but doesn't mention the blues.I can assure you many of them are irradiated.I would say you are right ,he tries to turn them all.

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RE: Amethyst the color of greed and deception - 2/6/2008 11:36:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know Digger Dave Beeler from when he lived here in Michigan. He was attending a Christian College (he is an ordained minister now) and digging the BeJesus out of Michigan. The guy can really dig.
A buddy of mine and I were watching Dave's auctions on eBay for several months. I logged ALL of his sales. He was consistently clearing 3K a month on irridated bottles alone. Add to that all the high end stuff he was constantly digging and selling and 'ole Dave was raking it in. That was back when the purple was more of a novelty, though.
Dave and many others who sell the purple get it done at meat packing plants. They drive a truck load of bottles in to a bay, the machine moves over the truck, just as if there was a load of incoming meat, and voila, purple, blue and other colors. That irridation changes the color of a lot of bottles.
Dave has always been straight-forward in his sales. Ask me about his privy digging exploits, though.  LOL
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RE: Amethyst the color of greed and deception - 2/6/2008 9:42:20 PM   
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