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Any idea on date, Onion bottle - 2/2/2012 12:24:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi i have this very interesting onion approx 27 cm tall.
nice painting of Dutch 17th cent ships, Any idea what i have here. Thanks in advance





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RE: Any idea on date, Onion bottle - 2/2/2012 12:53:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Patrick,

Welcome, and thanks a bunch for showing this lovely painting on bottle. I'm sure we'd all like to see more photos, please.

Do get closeups of the base and lip, and some details of the painting too.

How did you come by this guy? I always like that deep background stuff wherever possible.




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RE: Any idea on date, Onion bottle - 2/2/2012 12:57:52 PM   
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RE: Any idea on date, Onion bottle - 2/2/2012 1:10:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		That is nice. Jeff Noordsy has something somewhat similar.

http://www.jeffnholantiquebottles.com/



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RE: Any idea on date, Onion bottle - 2/2/2012 1:11:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's GORGEOUS but not an Onion. Looks more like a Demijohn but I am metrically impaired so don't relate to the size in inches. Looks BIG. Whatever one might call it, that lip is delicious.

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RE: Any idea on date, Onion bottle - 2/2/2012 1:51:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi thanks guys i won it at auction a while ago, its 27 cm .not inches, A few more pics

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RE: Any idea on date, Onion bottle - 2/2/2012 1:52:46 PM   
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RE: Any idea on date, Onion bottle - 2/2/2012 1:54:26 PM   
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RE: Any idea on date, Onion bottle - 2/2/2012 2:03:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		the emblem looks like someones coat of arms.

England used a similar one with 3 lions..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Royal_Arms_of_England_(1198-1340).svg

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RE: Any idea on date, Onion bottle - 2/2/2012 2:07:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yer i think ur right, its armourial. the ships have a Dutch flag & two have all white flags, are they surrendering ??, the lip is stunning & yer its like the one on jeff noordsy site, but his is near perfect

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RE: Any idea on date, Onion bottle - 2/2/2012 2:12:09 PM   
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jeff noordsy site, but his is near perfect


That is pretty typical of Jeff's bottles.

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RE: Any idea on date, Onion bottle - 2/2/2012 3:00:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Many of those seem to commemorate famous naval battles...good luck figuring out which one. They had a lot of naval battles during the 1600's.
I believe the double lions is the Dutch coat of arms.
Beautiful bottle even if it has seen some battles too.

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RE: Any idea on date, Onion bottle - 2/2/2012 3:50:44 PM   
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Seems to be some slight differences between East and West Friesland, though...

From.

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RE: Any idea on date, Onion bottle - 2/3/2012 11:03:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I may have seen those ships before; but I frigate.

Possibly a depiction of a battle from one of the Anglo-Dutch wars.
The Four Day Battle was popular with artists it would seem.
The white flags, in reality, may have had red crosses on them but they were intentionally left off.
Guess we know whose side the artist was on. [Merely a conjecture]

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RE: Any idea on date, Onion bottle - 2/4/2012 10:34:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for all the info guys.
What value are we talking about if i were to ever sell it?

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RE: Any idea on date, Onion bottle - 2/4/2012 10:39:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: wolffbp

I may have seen those ships before; but I frigate.

Possibly a depiction of a battle from one of the Anglo-Dutch wars.
The Four Day Battle was popular with artists it would seem.
The white flags, in reality, may have had red crosses on them but they were intentionally left off.
Guess we know whose side the artist was on. [Merely a conjecture]


Yes, lots of these painted bottles commemorate the Anglo-Dutch wars. I love 'em!


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RE: Any idea on date, Onion bottle - 2/4/2012 2:02:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		We haven't really answered your questions very well so I am going to take a WAG.

I think the piece dates back to the 1700s, is probably DUTCH and in that poor condition I would say worth $50.00 or so. If in near perfect condition I suspect it would be worth several hundred.

I certainly am no expert but I really like those early painted pieces.

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RE: Any idea on date, Onion bottle - 2/4/2012 2:32:26 PM   
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RE: Any idea on date, Onion bottle - 2/4/2012 3:41:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I'd think it's worth more for the paint than the bottle. Since the paint's intact, I'd guess you still have several hundred dollars on your hands.

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RE: Any idea on date, Onion bottle - 2/4/2012 3:45:57 PM   
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I think it would bring several hundred as is...
I think I'm with you Jim. It's the painting that interests me.
Edit: And Conner. I didn't click submit in time.


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