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Anybody Know Anything About This One?? - 9/18/2006 8:37:55 PM    Black_Boogers   Posts: 105 Joined: 5/22/2005 Status: offline http://cgi.ebay.com/Crude-Whittled-Dr-Js-Indian-Tonics-Elixers-No-Reserve_W0QQitemZ160030884605QQihZ006QQcategoryZ890QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Looks early, applied string lip? Early 1800's?? I'm thinking of bidding...but I can't find any info anywhere. Thanks, Rick _____________________________ LOVE THOSE DRAKE'S!! Rick Post #: 1

RE: Anybody Know Anything About This One?? - 9/18/2006 9:05:24 PM    bearswede Posts: 2902 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline To my mind, there's sumpthin' awfully squirrely about this one... Ron _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to Black_Boogers) Post #: 2

RE: Anybody Know Anything About This One?? - 9/18/2006 9:08:14 PM    Brains   Posts: 458 Joined: 9/2/2006 From: Hilliard/columbus ohio Status: offline u meen like a repro? thats what i thought _____________________________ Let me know when the telegraph companies want their hemingray-42's back! bryan (in reply to bearswede) Post #: 3

RE: Anybody Know Anything About This One?? - 9/18/2006 9:12:23 PM    Black_Boogers   Posts: 105 Joined: 5/22/2005 Status: offline Yeah Ron, I'm thinkin' the same thing..that's why I'm asking.  It looks older, but embossed patent meds shouldn't go back as far as this one seems to be.  Or could they??  The bottle looks similiar to a very early John Moffat (circa. 1830s-1840s), but doesn't quite "fit the mold" if you know what I mean. Hmmm... very interesting..... If legit, it would be a VERY nice one, though.... Anybody else?? Rick _____________________________ LOVE THOSE DRAKE'S!! Rick (in reply to Black_Boogers) Post #: 4

RE: Anybody Know Anything About This One?? - 9/18/2006 9:20:34 PM    earlyglass   Posts: 331 Joined: 12/21/2004 Status: offline This is a reproduction. I have seen them before and questioned them myself. I don't have the information readily available, but was informed at the time of the origin. If this was an 1840s pontilled colored medicine, unlisted, with an embossed indian then this would command $20,000+. Just beware... there are some VERY nice fakes out there. Mike (in reply to Black_Boogers) Post #: 5

RE: Anybody Know Anything About This One?? - 9/18/2006 10:00:05 PM    welddigger   Posts: 511 Joined: 4/24/2004 From: Hereford,PA. Status: offline That base looks pretty darn clean and unused to be a legite pontilled med. It still is a cool looking bottle but don't pay to much if you like it! (in reply to Black_Boogers) Post #: 6

RE: Anybody Know Anything About This One?? - 9/19/2006 12:27:57 AM    capsoda Posts: 7424 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Every thing about it is wrong except the lip and pontil. The embossing is just a little too crooked and the shape isn't right. WD is right though. Nice looking bottle if you are into repros it would be a goodern. < Message edited by capsoda -- 9/19/2006 12:29:01 AM > _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to welddigger) Post #: 7

RE: Anybody Know Anything About This One?? - 9/19/2006 7:25:45 AM    bearswede Posts: 2902 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline I guess, technically, it would be considered a fantasy bottle since it doesn't represent any bottle that was actually produced for use in the 19th century... Ron _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 8

RE: Anybody Know Anything About This One?? - 9/19/2006 9:14:16 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 4503 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline That pontil mark doesnt look quite right, looks like it may be part of the mold. I agree the overall form doesnt look 'right'. I guess the real question is who made it. Hopefully its not a new trend from India. I'll try to research it some. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 9

RE: Anybody Know Anything About This One?? - 9/19/2006 9:27:00 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 4503 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline There was apparently a flavored drink called Doc's Indian Tonics and Elixirs http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7307391883&category=4934 its possible that bottle was some type of promotional item for this product??? _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 10

RE: Anybody Know Anything About This One?? - 9/21/2006 4:03:21 PM    Black_Boogers   Posts: 105 Joined: 5/22/2005 Status: offline Well, somebody paid a lot of $$ for a repro..... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=006&item=160030884605&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 $204 is just a little much for me...... Rick _____________________________ LOVE THOSE DRAKE'S!! Rick (in reply to Black_Boogers) Post #: 11

RE: Anybody Know Anything About This One?? - 9/22/2006 8:16:35 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 4503 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline $204 would be a tiny fraction of what it would go for if it was an original colored pontil marked indian medicine. If you look at who bid none of them seem to be the well known collectors. I think the price isnt too surprising if it turns out to be an uncommon softdrink promotional bottle. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to Black_Boogers) Post #: 12

RE: Anybody Know Anything About This One?? - 5/6/2008 4:10:49 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 4503 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline hmmm... another one of these fake indian medicines... http://cgi.ebay.com/Old-Dr-Ts-Indian-Tonics-Elixers-Bottle-Oliver-Green_W0QQitemZ150243821392QQihZ005QQcategoryZ895QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem People seem to bid on them. No way they are old. Wish I knew where they come from so I could definatively record them as fakes on my repro medicines page. Can anyone help figure it out? < Message edited by GuntherHess -- 5/6/2008 4:12:38 PM > _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 13

RE: Anybody Know Anything About This One?? - 5/6/2008 4:29:23 PM    cc6pack   Posts: 452 Joined: 7/12/2003 From: Mableton, Ga. Status: offline First who's  Oliver Green The pontil screams Mexico to me JMHO (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 14

RE: Anybody Know Anything About This One?? - 5/6/2008 6:19:49 PM    KentOhio   Posts: 677 Joined: 9/13/2004 Status: offline I saw this bottle 2 weeks ago at a flea market. It's thick, heavy glass and there's absolutely no wear on the base. They wanted $45 for it. A nice decorative item though. (in reply to cc6pack) Post #: 15

RE: Anybody Know Anything About This One?? - 5/6/2008 6:35:25 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 4503 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline If the embossing wasnt so hokey it would almost make a good fake (with a little wear and a better pontil mark). I doubt it was designed to deceive , more likely a decorative item or a novelty container for some product. Its the 3rd one I have seen so far over several years so there's no cargo containers of them being off loaded. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to KentOhio) Post #: 16

RE: Anybody Know Anything About This One?? - 5/6/2008 7:55:55 PM    marjorie040 Posts: 354 Joined: 12/3/2006 Status: offline Ebay link now says "This item has been removed" _____________________________ marjorie040 McClellanville, sc (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 17

RE: Anybody Know Anything About This One?? - 5/6/2008 8:45:35 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 4503 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline Maybe you are looking at one of the old ones, this one is active at $67 ... http://cgi.ebay.com/Old-Dr-Ts-Indian-Tonics-Elixers-Bottle-Oliver-Green_W0QQitemZ150243821392QQihZ005QQcategoryZ895QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to marjorie040) Post #: 18

RE: Anybody Know Anything About This One?? - 5/6/2008 9:20:57 PM    marjorie040 Posts: 354 Joined: 12/3/2006 Status: offline Oops! Sure did.....clicked on Black_Boogers link. Thanks Matt _____________________________ marjorie040 McClellanville, sc (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 19

RE: Anybody Know Anything About This One?? - 5/6/2008 9:45:39 PM    beendiggin   Posts: 468 Joined: 6/30/2005 Status: offline  I don't think it's a repro of anything, just a new bottle of it's own design. Too good to be true? You bet. _____________________________ Paul I will dig a cobalt skull. (in reply to Black_Boogers) Post #: 20

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