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Arrested for vandalism !!! - 6/5/2005 10:16:50 PM    caldigs   Posts: 318 Joined: 5/19/2005 From: SF Status: offline so I was digging on a construction lot downtown. The owner came and told me to leave. I left. Later, once it was dark, my friend went into the lot to finish the hole. So the owner comes back and calls the cops. So, the cops arrest my friend and charge him with vandalism. his actions were --> walking through the hole in the fence and then digging a 3 foot hole (inside a 2 foot deep trench). Vandalism is defined as " a person knowingly causes serious physical damage to a structure or its contents... " I do not see how they can charge him with vandalism !! ?? thoughts ? thanks Post #: 1

RE: Arrested for vandalism !!! - 6/5/2005 10:40:15 PM    Xcalibur   Posts: 31 Joined: 6/2/2005 Status: offline Well, caldig not sure bout the laws, but be carefull!!! Allso at the risk of stepping on your toes (hope i dnt) I must say digs like that give bottle diggers a bad rap... I am a new member here, so i might get banned by speaking my mind. I dig as i live my life. If i get permission to dig thats great, if the owner says no, i dont return. I know the temtation of a good find is irresistable, But i think he got what he deserved.... Xcali. _____________________________ " Nothin like the gleam of blue cobalt in a 3 foot hole" (in reply to caldigs) Post #: 2

RE: Arrested for vandalism !!! - 6/5/2005 11:37:03 PM    BRIAN S.   Posts: 1704 Joined: 5/27/2003 From: The Mountains of Tennessee Status: offline Xcali .... I don't think you have to worry about being banned from here ! Everyone has an opinion and some may agree and some may disagree with you. Caldigs .... Vandalism dosn't seem to fit the bill. Seems like it would be a trespassing charge instead. I don't know the laws out in your part of the country. But , here in the Mountains of Tennessee that would have been a good way to get a load of fine shot in your butt , and then they'd call the law ! LOL Brian _____________________________ Tennessee Hillbilly My Brothers car in action . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWDd0TBWItc Always looking to buy or trade for Drake's Plantation Bitters and Drake's go-withs . And Tennessee Bottles and Jugs (in reply to caldigs) Post #: 3

RE: Arrested for vandalism !!! - 6/6/2005 1:19:18 AM    RazorsEdge   Posts: 238 Joined: 5/8/2005 Status: offline Okay the problem is he warned you once already so you left....but not only did you come back, you came back in a very sneaky way so as not to be caught.....Late night, through a hole in the fence.....Property is property, and this one wasnt yours to walk and dig on.....Maybe if you got arrested without warning, I would understand. Anyways the charge is no biggie just get a lil probation and whatever....Dont worry it wont kill ya (in reply to caldigs) Post #: 4

RE: Arrested for vandalism !!! - 6/6/2005 1:43:32 AM    caldigs   Posts: 318 Joined: 5/19/2005 From: SF Status: offline Razors....you did not read the entire post....I did not get arrested. MY FRIEND DID. (in reply to caldigs) Post #: 5

RE: Arrested for vandalism !!! - 6/6/2005 2:41:54 AM    madman Posts: 10360 Joined: 2/5/2005 Status: offline damn trespassing is trespassing !!! ifeel your pain they were taking out truck loads of bottles a day, right behind my house!! and they kicked me out , it was a major 1900s landfill mike ps but i got what i could ha ha < Message edited by madman -- 6/6/2005 2:40:19 AM > (in reply to caldigs) Post #: 6

RE: Arrested for vandalism !!! - 6/6/2005 3:09:40 AM    caldigs   Posts: 318 Joined: 5/19/2005 From: SF Status: offline yes,, trespassing is one thing, and vandalism is another.........he was trespassing, but not charged with that !! ??? (in reply to caldigs) Post #: 7

RE: Arrested for vandalism !!! - 6/6/2005 4:33:17 AM    Admin   Posts: 311 Joined: 10/21/2002 From: Near London England Status: offline quote: I am a new member here, so i might get banned by speaking my mind For the record, as Brian says you don't get banned here for expressing an opinion. - Admin (in reply to caldigs) Post #: 8

RE: Arrested for vandalism !!! - 6/6/2005 4:39:49 AM    RazorsEdge   Posts: 238 Joined: 5/8/2005 Status: offline i read the entire post i was talking indirectly just replace the yous with hes and anyways trespassing, vandalism, who cares they both get the same 6 months probation (in reply to caldigs) Post #: 9

RE: Arrested for vandalism !!! - 6/6/2005 10:26:37 AM    WhiteLighting Posts: 485 Joined: 1/21/2004 From: The Electric City,Upstate NY Status: offline hey was there any posted or restricted area/prohib signs around?.......... if not check your local town laws,they shoud be online........ but most likley the person you mentioned was most worryed about being sued from somone getting hurt........ _____________________________ It's time for another TEA PARTY!!!! (in reply to caldigs) Post #: 10

RE: Arrested for vandalism !!! - 6/6/2005 4:05:49 PM    grimdigger1   Posts: 87 Joined: 11/12/2004 Status: offline The police are just one of the risks of digging.. here in the Uk we run the law every time we dig,permission is sometimes granted but if its not we will dig anyway,, was thrown of a site yesterday,rough end of a park , it was looking good too ,bag of sodas and ales and 1 pot lid but thats life.. I know a lot of you will disapprove of this but its either take the risk or not dig. heres what we get up to in persuit of the goodies < Message edited by grimdigger1 -- 6/6/2005 4:07:23 PM > _____________________________ www.bottledigginguk.com/forum The home of the UK bottledigging/collecting forum check us out today !!! Now with digging video online !!! (in reply to caldigs) Post #: 11

RE: Arrested for vandalism !!! - 6/6/2005 4:22:00 PM    grimdigger1   Posts: 87 Joined: 11/12/2004 Status: offline A few digging pics,, Picture in size - please see Help - Using the Forum ---> Uploading a Picture - Admin Attachment (1) < Message edited by Admin -- 6/7/2005 6:23:18 PM > _____________________________ www.bottledigginguk.com/forum The home of the UK bottledigging/collecting forum check us out today !!! Now with digging video online !!! (in reply to caldigs) Post #: 12

RE: Arrested for vandalism !!! - 6/6/2005 4:24:00 PM    grimdigger1   Posts: 87 Joined: 11/12/2004 Status: offline digging on a carpark ,building was empty and to let for a few years before we moved in Picture reduced in size - please see Help - Using the Forum ---> Uploading a Picture - Admin Attachment (1) < Message edited by Admin -- 6/7/2005 6:20:48 PM > _____________________________ www.bottledigginguk.com/forum The home of the UK bottledigging/collecting forum check us out today !!! Now with digging video online !!! (in reply to caldigs) Post #: 13

RE: Arrested for vandalism !!! - 6/6/2005 4:25:09 PM    grimdigger1   Posts: 87 Joined: 11/12/2004 Status: offline Mr JCB helped put at times Attachment (1) _____________________________ www.bottledigginguk.com/forum The home of the UK bottledigging/collecting forum check us out today !!! Now with digging video online !!! (in reply to caldigs) Post #: 14

RE: Arrested for vandalism !!! - 6/7/2005 1:37:50 AM    caldigs   Posts: 318 Joined: 5/19/2005 From: SF Status: offline ok, lets stay on topic...........is he guilty of vandalism or not ? (in reply to caldigs) Post #: 15

RE: Arrested for vandalism !!! - 6/7/2005 1:50:30 AM    madman Posts: 10360 Joined: 2/5/2005 Status: offline im thinking the police didnt no what to charge him with, so they charged him with vandalism digging a hole on private property, they probably said your digging for what??????????? mike (in reply to caldigs) Post #: 16

RE: Arrested for vandalism !!! - 6/7/2005 7:55:21 AM    IRISH   Posts: 1238 Joined: 11/23/2002 From: cockatoo Australia Status: offline There have been people here charged with vandalism for the exact reason madman said, they did not know what else to charge them with . I do see the point of those who say no one should go trespassing BUT there is a lot of stuff getting lost forever due to development and I think that's a far greater crime. Here we have a Heritage Act that more or less bans digging, if we all stuck to the letter of the law there would be maybe one in 500 sites in Victoria get partly dug by the Heritage people and the rest would be lost forever (I don't ever break the law, just put that in for any Heritage Vic officers who may read this ). Caldigs, your mate got arrested somewhere he was not welcome and they found something to charge him with, although I 100% support him digging on a site that's probably going to be destroyed there is not a lot he can do other that fight it with a good lawyer. PS love the saw Grim , a few fellows here use them too. (in reply to caldigs) Post #: 17

RE: Arrested for vandalism !!! - 6/7/2005 2:10:49 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 11470 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline Its likely there arent many criminal defense lawyers in this forum. This isn't a great place to get legal advise. All I can give is an opinion... What the guy did was wrong, what he did was bad for the reputation of bottle collectors everywhere. Hopefully he will learn something from the experience. I did dumb things when I was young. _____________________________ FREE Online Medicine Guide - http://www.antiquemedicines.com/MedicineNexus/Nexus.htm Web Site - http://antiquemedicines.com Email : mknapp@antiquemedicines.com (in reply to caldigs) Post #: 18

RE: Arrested for vandalism !!! - 6/7/2005 9:01:13 PM    Mainepontil Posts: 215 Joined: 1/11/2005 Status: offline Absolutely not vandalism. I agree with Grimdigger. Got to get em while you can. These bottles are being destroyed by development. It is a nobel cause. Diggers have had a bad rap for years, long before I was born. We could all follow the rules and people would still be upset with us. _____________________________ Dig it NOW....before a housing development is built. (in reply to caldigs) Post #: 19

RE: Arrested for vandalism !!! - 6/7/2005 10:19:48 PM    RazorsEdge   Posts: 238 Joined: 5/8/2005 Status: offline holy crap digging with a shovel and trespassing is one thing tearing apart buildings and parking lots is a whole diff thing jesus you sawed and excavated someones building!? you gotta be nuts or something! (in reply to caldigs) Post #: 20

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