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Arrowhead - 6/11/2006 4:11:22 PM    acls   Posts: 305 Joined: 6/2/2005 Status: offline I found this today while fishing a small creek in Cannon County, Tennessee.  I thought someone in the forum might be able to tell me more about it.  Anyone here know anything about projectile points? It is 3 1/4 inches long.  Any help would be appreciated. Thanks-----Matt Post #: 1

RE: Arrowhead - 6/11/2006 4:13:45 PM    acls   Posts: 305 Joined: 6/2/2005 Status: offline Here is a picture.  I would like to find out what kind of point it is and which tribe it is from. Attachment (1) (in reply to acls) Post #: 2

RE: Arrowhead - 6/11/2006 10:37:11 PM    Road Dog   Posts: 809 Joined: 6/9/2005 Status: online I'm not up on my Tenn. Points. Looks like a Hardin. Does it have beveled edges?Is it ground at the base? Most of these points were long before tribes as we know them existed. < Message edited by Road Dog -- 6/11/2006 10:40:24 PM > (in reply to acls) Post #: 3

RE: Arrowhead - 6/11/2006 10:54:33 PM    acls   Posts: 305 Joined: 6/2/2005 Status: offline Hi RoadDog.  I really appreciate your reply.  I am very excited about my first arrowhead. To answer your question the edges are indeed beveled.  As for the base I am not quite sure if I know what a "ground base" is.  I can tell you that the base has been "chipped at" on each side resulting in a thin, almost sharp base edge.  I am interested to know if it is a Hardin point. Thanks again RoadDog. -Matt (in reply to Road Dog) Post #: 4

RE: Arrowhead - 6/12/2006 11:49:41 AM    JustGlass   Posts: 391 Joined: 7/22/2005 From: Green Mountains of Vermont Status: offline I cant help you because I only have knowledge of points found in New England, Vt..Ny. Nh. Mass.. I will say one thing...you have a awesome!! point there and if you keep your eyes open in that area you just might find another...and another ect... (in reply to acls) Post #: 5

RE: Arrowhead - 6/12/2006 2:00:26 PM    acls   Posts: 305 Joined: 6/2/2005 Status: offline Thanks JustGlass.  I thought it was a nice one, but I really don't have any knowledge concerning arrowheads. I was and am super excited about my find.  I will definitely have to go back and see if I can find anything else. (in reply to acls) Post #: 6

RE: Arrowhead - 6/12/2006 2:34:40 PM    FIGGINS DIGGINS Posts: 318 Joined: 5/27/2006 Status: offline That is a really nice arrowhead there. The beveled edges and general shape also make me lean toward the Hardin type. Basal  grinding was used to dull the sharp edges of the base to prevent it cutting back through whatever lashings they used to tie it on. The entire base or stem will usually be very noticeably more dull than the blade edges. The Hardin group has many sub-types and I have found many that I myself felt like belonged to the family but did not have a ground base. I can say with a degree of certainty that this point came from the Archaic period which according to the book I'm reading now was before 1000 B.C.. I also feel like you are the first person to touch that piece in at least 3000 years give or take. These were fascinating people who lived where we now live and provided for their families through nature alone. I love talking artifacts and do not claim to be right about everything, but I can usually get you pretty close on any questions you have. Holler at me anytime. Be careful you  may already be hooked on artifact collecting. That is how I got started. Found my first one in Hardin county Tennessee. _____________________________ Dan The only thing better than the broken glass and dirt going down the back of your pants is that bottle you're about to uncover. (in reply to acls) Post #: 7

RE: Arrowhead - 6/17/2006 12:33:08 PM    acls   Posts: 305 Joined: 6/2/2005 Status: offline Thanks for the detailed information FIGGINS DIGGINS.  I think I may be hooked.  I have started to research the archaic period.  I have also discussed an artifact hunting trip after we have a good rain down here followed by some sunny days. What woud the monetary value be on an arrowhead such as this?  To me it is priceless, but I am curious. (in reply to acls) Post #: 8

RE: Arrowhead - 6/17/2006 6:51:21 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 5155 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline Most projectile points are prehistoric so we will never know what tribes used them. The best we can do is to classify them by age and probable local of use. Too bad the North American Aborigines didnt do better record keeping. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to acls) Post #: 9

RE: Arrowhead - 6/17/2006 9:00:21 PM    FIGGINS DIGGINS Posts: 318 Joined: 5/27/2006 Status: offline Yes Sir, IF you are planning to do any artifact hunting besides creek-bed now is the time to go. Before long the crops will all be too big for you to see the ground. I always hated that time of year when it seemed like there was no where to look. I am not currently pursuing the indian artifacts like I used to but as far as a monetary value on that point, it is more symmetrical than most, and one of my favorite colors. Thinness would also be a factor, but if I were really wanting this point and had plenty of cash in my pocket, I would probably start at about 20 dollars an inch and might go as high as 30 dollars an inch. I've seen similar points sell for a little more and I've seen them sell for a little less. Now keep in mind that the next guy may tell you it is only worth 5 dollars. It is all really a matter of opinion, where you are standing at the time, and how bad someone wants it. Its greatest value is the new interest it has sparked in you and all the things you will learn through researching it. I hope you find a bunch of  'em and don't stop at the archaic period, Tennessee has it all from the Paleo, Archaic, Woodland, and Mississippian time frames. Thanks again for sharing it. _____________________________ Dan The only thing better than the broken glass and dirt going down the back of your pants is that bottle you're about to uncover. (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 10

RE: Arrowhead - 6/26/2006 2:17:40 AM    madman   Posts: 4856 Joined: 2/5/2005 Status: offline hey acl great find ,bet you are very excited, as you well should be!! dont find 3000 yr old arrowheads every day round here heres some ive found are these real  age??  mike (in reply to FIGGINS DIGGINS) Post #: 11

RE: Arrowhead - 6/26/2006 2:50:45 AM    DiggerBryan   Posts: 809 Joined: 12/3/2004 From: Ohio Status: offline Mike, I think you forgot to post the photo?? _____________________________ Life is easy with your eyes closed. (in reply to madman) Post #: 12

RE: Arrowhead - 6/26/2006 3:06:58 AM    madman   Posts: 4856 Joined: 2/5/2005 Status: offline heres the pix any info mike Attachment (1) (in reply to madman) Post #: 13

RE: Arrowhead - 6/26/2006 11:01:20 AM    wvhillbilly   Posts: 474 Joined: 5/21/2006 From: West Virginia Status: online Hey guys nice finds          I always like to find arrowheads if got some ive found in my back yard but most of tham are chiped or broken I would throw up a pic but I aint sure where they walked off to _____________________________ Check out my bottles for sale! http://www.freewebs.com/dennpbottles/ (in reply to madman) Post #: 14

RE: Arrowhead - 6/26/2006 11:17:22 PM    FIGGINS DIGGINS Posts: 318 Joined: 5/27/2006 Status: offline Hey there! If you have time to give me some lengths on those and a close guess on the thickness of  the two bottom right points and top left point I will take a stab at getting you in the ballpark on the age of those. It will still just be my best guess, though, and based on a pretty old book I have. Thanks for sharing those, I love looking at artifacts. ( when i'm not diggin' bottles of course,lol) _____________________________ Dan The only thing better than the broken glass and dirt going down the back of your pants is that bottle you're about to uncover. (in reply to wvhillbilly) Post #: 15

RE: Arrowhead - 6/27/2006 2:45:20 AM    madman   Posts: 4856 Joined: 2/5/2005 Status: offline ok here we go, all are about a quarter inch thick  mike Attachment (1) < Message edited by madman -- 6/27/2006 2:47:04 AM > (in reply to FIGGINS DIGGINS) Post #: 16

RE: Arrowhead - 6/28/2006 12:47:52 AM    FIGGINS DIGGINS Posts: 318 Joined: 5/27/2006 Status: offline the two on the left look like early Archaic blades that have been used and resharpened to the point of exhaustion and then discarded. Just like an old steel knife that has been sharpened repeatedly they eventually get down to where there is not enough left to use. They probably were much wider and longer at one time. The right side point is still a mystery. A picture of both sides of that one may help. If it has a shallow groove or flute as it is called running lenthwise on one side it could very well be of Paleo origin. That's the oldest of the old on artifacts. It has the right outline and base for it, but I have found smaller pieces with that shape that were a kind of transition from the madison arrowheads to the willow-leaf arrowheads of Mississippian times. Thanks for sharing them again. wish I could be more help. Hothem puts out what I think are great books to help learn about artifact age and possible values. _____________________________ Dan The only thing better than the broken glass and dirt going down the back of your pants is that bottle you're about to uncover. (in reply to madman) Post #: 17

RE: Arrowhead - 6/28/2006 3:26:26 AM    madman   Posts: 4856 Joined: 2/5/2005 Status: offline hey fd im keeping my eyes open for more mike (in reply to FIGGINS DIGGINS) Post #: 18

RE: Arrowhead - 6/28/2006 7:48:56 AM    capsoda Posts: 7914 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: online quote: The right side point is still a mystery. Hey, You found my pocket knife. I wondered where that got off to.LoL _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to madman) Post #: 19

RE: Arrowhead - 6/30/2006 9:53:14 PM    acls   Posts: 305 Joined: 6/2/2005 Status: offline Wow Mike!  Great collection. I've had a bad case of the bottle bug for years.  Now it looks like I may have caught the relic bug too. (in reply to acls) Post #: 20

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