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Authentic Black Glass ? - 8/5/2007 2:54:08 PM    whiskeyman Posts: 2015 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline I'm not too "UP" on American made black glass nor its foreign counterparts, but these three pieces seem "suspect" to me. Opinions anyone ?? ANTIQUE GLASS WINE FLASK RGL PELLET BROKEN PONTIL  ANTIQUE AMBER & CLEAR GLASS BOTTLE WITH BROKEN PONTIL  UNUSUAL ANTIQUE HONEY AMBER GLASS BOTTLE BROKEN PONTIL  _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc...and, Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com Post #: 1

RE: Authentic Black Glass ? - 8/5/2007 2:57:01 PM    whiskeyman Posts: 2015 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline the last one resembles the Persian made saddle flasks but the mouth looks all "wrong" to me...and they're usually a teal green coloration... The style of the other two seems "awkward" to me as well.... _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc...and, Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 2

RE: Authentic Black Glass ? - 8/5/2007 3:32:10 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 4903 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: online The first looks like a Williamsburg type repro, the second seems to be decorative art glass, the last looks like one of those persian saddle flasks of 'underterminate age ' None fite by definition of black glass. i define black glass as looking darkly opaque unless held to a bright light source. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 3

RE: Authentic Black Glass ? - 8/5/2007 5:33:33 PM    BRIAN S.   Posts: 1470 Joined: 5/27/2003 From: The Mountains of Tennessee Status: offline A lot of collectors refer to the olive green glass in the early onions, porters , gins , and ect. as Black glass ! It is a reference that my Grandfather used also .... as do I .  I really don't know if it is a correct terminology or not ..... but just about all collectors know what you are talking about when refering to " black glass ". I have also seen ..... Black Amber glass refered to as black glass . _____________________________ Tennessee Hillbilly Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most ! Always looking to buy or trade for Drake's Plantation Bitters and Drake's go-withs . And Tennessee Bottles and Jugs ! (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 4

RE: Authentic Black Glass ? - 8/5/2007 8:23:53 PM    whiskeyman Posts: 2015 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline Thanks GUNTHER & BRIAN...      I rekkin' I call it "black glass" , as that's what most of the reference books call it: ( even though it's not "black" at all in many cases.) Glassmakers produced black glass bottles on this continent and in Europe from the mid 1600s up through the latter part of the 1900s. The term Black glass refers to glass usually in shades of dark green and amber. Often the glass is so dense that the color appears black. The dark color results from impurities in the glass batch, or as a result of the proportions of the ingredients used. The primary agent producing the color is iron oxide, although other substances can produce the effect as well. Not only do this oxide turn the glass dark green or amber, but it strengthens the glass as well. These two qualitities, strength and the dark color, meant less breakage for shippers and less spoilage of the contents due to exposure to light. The black glass bottles contained wine, beer, porter, ale, cider, or other liquids. http://www.bottlebooks.com/blglssin.htm http://www.antiquebottles.com/blackglass/ _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc...and, Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 5

RE: Authentic Black Glass ? - 8/5/2007 8:28:18 PM    whiskeyman Posts: 2015 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline The pieces I linked to are not "black glass" per se : in that they appear of recent vintage and are an attempt to mimic older glass. I am reminded of the so-called "boarding weapons"..."deck sweeper flagons" discussed here a few months ago that were also of recent albeit unknown origins. _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc...and, Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 6

RE: Authentic Black Glass ? - 8/5/2007 8:53:54 PM    cc6pack   Posts: 512 Joined: 7/12/2003 From: Mableton, Ga. Status: online Whiskey That's exactly what I was thinking when I saw the last pic. I hope that guy doesn't see the auction he may tell the seller he has a rare piece. NOT (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 7

RE: Authentic Black Glass ? - 8/5/2007 9:05:29 PM    whiskeyman Posts: 2015 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline CC....LOL. How ya been ? I'm still workin' 54 hours a week... I ain't got time fer nuthin', and iffn I did - I'd be too tired ta do it...HA! _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc...and, Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to cc6pack) Post #: 8

RE: Authentic Black Glass ? - 8/5/2007 11:59:57 PM    capsoda Posts: 7703 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Wow, Those are very cool pieces. I have a rare pontiled milk glass Noxima if anyone is interested. Art glass. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 9

RE: Authentic Black Glass ? - 8/6/2007 7:35:19 PM    CALDIGR2   Posts: 465 Joined: 6/20/2005 Status: offline FAKES! FAKES! FAKES! That's all folks. Designed to fool the less than knowledgeable types. A hangman's tree is too good for that seller. _____________________________ Mike Dig no privy before it's time. (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 10

RE: Authentic Black Glass ? - 8/6/2007 9:51:23 PM    whiskeyman Posts: 2015 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline Thanks for the input. Hope no "newbies" get fooled by these... CAP...hey ! is the Noxema mis-spelled too? If so, it's more valuable.... _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc...and, Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 11

RE: Authentic Black Glass ? - 8/7/2007 2:47:03 AM    cc6pack   Posts: 512 Joined: 7/12/2003 From: Mableton, Ga. Status: online Whis I feels for youse that's still  gotta  W O R K, in my best Maynard G. Krebbs voice. I's got retarded last year. Nuttin like the life of Riley Gettin ready fer da Smyrna show, was hopein ta sees ya thar. (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 12

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