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B&O railroad police badge MYSTERY SOLVED!!! - 8/10/2008 8:45:12 PM    appliedlips Posts: 3396 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline        My son,Shag,and I got out for a dig today.We had a killer permission so hopes were high.We ended up digging two 7-8ft. woodliners and a small trash pit.The first pit was a late 90's hole and only produced a few junkers but yeilded a brass dog collar, a partial silver plated dog tag and a very cool silver badge from the B&O railroad.The other hole had us busting through a gravel parking area but showed great signs of age.Unfortunately it was full of broken stoneware and only had two broken bottles.An IP Air Tight fruit jar and a OP Fahnstock's..The badge was definately the find of the day.We have a couple more pits probed for next time and the 60's-70's holes seem to be good in this neighborhood.Here is a couple pics of the badge Attachment (1) < Message edited by appliedlips -- 8/13/2008 9:41:07 PM > _____________________________ LOOKING FOR PONTILLED OR EARLY SQUAT SODAS FROM HIGHLAND,ILLNOIS.. Post #: 1

RE: B&O railroad police badge - 8/10/2008 8:51:41 PM    appliedlips Posts: 3396 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline     The back side.Evidently,spelling wasn't a prerequisite of a silversmith in the late 1800's.Either that or he didn't like the French and decided the "T" on the end of DEPOT was too uppity.I am hoping to find out what city along the B&O's miles of tracks this particular Union Depot was located.I don't think the depot in the town we dug this was ever referred to as the Union Depot but maybe Shag will prove me wrong. Attachment (1) < Message edited by appliedlips -- 8/10/2008 8:53:25 PM > _____________________________ LOOKING FOR PONTILLED OR EARLY SQUAT SODAS FROM HIGHLAND,ILLNOIS.. (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 2

RE: B&O railroad police badge - 8/10/2008 9:05:06 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 11468 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline the 'T' would have messed up the symetry Nice badge , I expect a pretty rare item. _____________________________ FREE Online Medicine Guide - http://www.antiquemedicines.com/MedicineNexus/Nexus.htm Web Site - http://antiquemedicines.com Email : mknapp@antiquemedicines.com (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 3

RE: B&O railroad police badge - 8/10/2008 9:38:30 PM    lexdigger   Posts: 1695 Joined: 5/31/2005 From: Lexington, Ky. Status: offline Nice badge! You know, I still see that spelling today along some of the rural roads of Kentucky. LOL Chris (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 4

RE: B&O railroad police badge - 8/10/2008 11:30:25 PM    Brains   Posts: 742 Joined: 9/2/2006 From: Hilliard/columbus ohio Status: offline very nice badge, looks good for how ever old it is.  Depo, depot, same thing.  I think depo is better though, but thats just me. _____________________________ Use nickels, nickels is money too, guys (in reply to lexdigger) Post #: 5

RE: B&O railroad police badge - 8/11/2008 8:43:07 AM    downeastdigger Posts: 3064 Joined: 8/22/2005 From: Crawling through the mud and briars of Eliot Maine Status: offline Great badge - that could have easily been missed, huh? a great little piece of history _____________________________ Bram Get busy diggin, or get busy dyin' Dropkick http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7g3RuoreRc (in reply to Brains) Post #: 6

RE: B&O railroad police badge - 8/11/2008 4:20:57 PM    Dabeel Posts: 848 Joined: 3/12/2004 From: Baltimore origin, Now the Bay Area,CA Status: offline Doug, Very cool find! I'm sitting here thinking...how did that end up in a privy.....Maybe the guy got fired and tossed it down the privy in anger Super cool artifact! Doug (in reply to downeastdigger) Post #: 7

RE: B&O railroad police badge - 8/11/2008 5:05:41 PM    appliedlips Posts: 3396 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline      Thanks guys. I'm not sure why it would end up end a privy.I am thinking it was in a box or junk being we found a silver plate dog color with it.If not for the collar (we were looking for all of the links) We may have never seen it.We had dug a broken B&O lantern in a privy next to this one on a previous dig so I think it was the badge owner's house.His nickname is on the dog collar so maybe we can track him down through directories once I make it to the library.I am guessing it dates to 1890 or so. _____________________________ LOOKING FOR PONTILLED OR EARLY SQUAT SODAS FROM HIGHLAND,ILLNOIS.. (in reply to Dabeel) Post #: 8

RE: B&O railroad police badge - 8/11/2008 6:32:12 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 11468 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline Sooner or later most everything ends up down the crapper From the engraving style I would guess it could be quite a bit earlier than 1890. It looks like they engraved the back and screwed up. Rather than melt it down they engraved the other side and still used it. I would try posting it on some rail road collector site. I'd bet they could date it pretty well. _____________________________ FREE Online Medicine Guide - http://www.antiquemedicines.com/MedicineNexus/Nexus.htm Web Site - http://antiquemedicines.com Email : mknapp@antiquemedicines.com (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 9

RE: B&O railroad police badge - 8/12/2008 12:14:00 AM    steamfitter38   Posts: 101 Joined: 1/13/2006 From: windsor ca. Status: offline sweet finds! (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 10

RE: B&O railroad police badge - 8/12/2008 11:23:44 AM    Staunton Dan Posts: 2249 Joined: 5/5/2005 From: Batesville, VA Status: offline Great find. Did you sift or just eyeball it? If you didn't sift, just think what else might have been in there. WTG! (in reply to steamfitter38) Post #: 11

RE: B&O railroad police badge - 8/12/2008 10:28:48 PM    appliedlips Posts: 3396 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline      Dan,     Just eyeballed it luckily,it popped out with the shovel and could tell it was a badge before bending down to pick it up.The few times I have sifted I have found very little we have missed so unless a pit has a bunch of coins or something,no sifting for me.I'd rather spend the time digging another hole for the bottles.If I were out west,with killer saloon tokens & more gold coins I might do it more.We always inspect any "green" brass for buttons,buckles,locks,etc.I try not to think of the stuff missed. _____________________________ LOOKING FOR PONTILLED OR EARLY SQUAT SODAS FROM HIGHLAND,ILLNOIS.. (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 12

RE: B&O railroad police badge - 8/12/2008 10:55:36 PM    Staunton Dan Posts: 2249 Joined: 5/5/2005 From: Batesville, VA Status: offline Where are you from? Virginia here in the heart of civil war country. So far I have found 12 civil war era buttons this year, 7 confederate,  sifting and using a metal detector. Without these 2 aditional methods I may have eyeballed 2 buttons out of the 12. I also found a snake buckle with a metal detector over what came out of a privy. I don't dig a lot of privies so when I do I like to slow down and increase my chances of finding some of the valuable smalls that I would normally have missed. Attachment (1) (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 13

RE: B&O railroad police badge - 8/12/2008 11:46:50 PM    appliedlips Posts: 3396 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline       I am right in the middle of Ohio.I know exactly what you are saying Dan.I used to feel the same way and sifted quite a few pits but rarely found anything to justify my time.Then I would dig a pit and find 4 or 5 uniform buttons with the eyes. I have a nice metal detector that I rarely use because of the time spent for every good find,I think it's the ADHD,but who knows?.I believe 90% of the good stuff is in 10% of the privies,so I try to get the losers out of the way to get to the winners.I think it is just personal preference.If I were finding those buttons you were finding it might be a different story though.Continued good luck,Doug < Message edited by appliedlips -- 8/12/2008 11:53:35 PM > _____________________________ LOOKING FOR PONTILLED OR EARLY SQUAT SODAS FROM HIGHLAND,ILLNOIS.. (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 14

RE: B&O railroad police badge - 8/13/2008 12:14:12 AM    glass man Posts: 7551 Joined: 1/30/2008 From: GEORGIA Status: offline THERE are some serious railroad collectors. If you could find a B & O RAILROAD collector ,I would like to see what the collector would offer you.I have sold a good deal of rail road stuff even at bottle shows. _____________________________ LET NOT YOUR HEART BE TROUBLED ! IF YOU NEED A BLESSING OR A SONG THAT WILL PICK YOU UP PLEASE LISTEN TO THIS SONG FROM"VAN THE MAN"MORRISON! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi4R2YXv_AE (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 15

RE: B&O railroad police badge - 8/13/2008 9:45:33 PM    appliedlips Posts: 3396 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline      Thought I'd share some of the results of a little research.I mentioned in an earlier post that a dog collar and tag were also found in the pit.The badge was almost fused onto the adjustable part of the collar.The writing on the collar gave us a great place to start on our research.It was inscribed _ETURN ME TO   _OC" BROOKE 81 S. 3rd ST. NEWARK OHIO.Here is a pic of the collar Attachment (1) _____________________________ LOOKING FOR PONTILLED OR EARLY SQUAT SODAS FROM HIGHLAND,ILLNOIS.. (in reply to glass man) Post #: 16

RE: B&O railroad police badge - 8/13/2008 9:46:11 PM    appliedlips Posts: 3396 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline    close up Attachment (1) _____________________________ LOOKING FOR PONTILLED OR EARLY SQUAT SODAS FROM HIGHLAND,ILLNOIS.. (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 17

RE: B&O railroad police badge - 8/13/2008 9:51:58 PM    appliedlips Posts: 3396 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline      I made it to the library this evening and shortly after opening up a 1891 directory I had a match to the last name and address.The name was Clement,still not sure if it is "DOC" or not but his occupation is interesting.He is listed as a clerk in 1869 but he is listed as a policeman in 1876 but not at the correct address,yet. Attachment (1) _____________________________ LOOKING FOR PONTILLED OR EARLY SQUAT SODAS FROM HIGHLAND,ILLNOIS.. (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 18

RE: B&O railroad police badge - 8/13/2008 9:54:21 PM    appliedlips Posts: 3396 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline  in '83 listed as a baggage agent for the Panhandle R.R. Attachment (1) < Message edited by appliedlips -- 8/13/2008 9:55:06 PM > _____________________________ LOOKING FOR PONTILLED OR EARLY SQUAT SODAS FROM HIGHLAND,ILLNOIS.. (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 19

RE: B&O railroad police badge - 8/13/2008 9:58:00 PM    appliedlips Posts: 3396 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline    in '87  lieutenant of police and living at 81 S.3rd. I later find out his father is Moses D. (note his job description) he was the city marshall in earlier directories.He is listed again as Depot Master again in the '89 directory(Clement is not listed).But guess what ole Clement is up to in '91 Attachment (1) < Message edited by appliedlips -- 8/13/2008 10:03:12 PM > _____________________________ LOOKING FOR PONTILLED OR EARLY SQUAT SODAS FROM HIGHLAND,ILLNOIS.. (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 20

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