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BOTTLE W/ GREAT STORY - 4/22/2007 8:33:30 PM    HAKZAW1   Posts: 11 Joined: 4/22/2007 Status: offline HELLO ALL,  I have this bottle that came to me with an unusual story that I will post later as I do not want to taint my search for valid info.  First, I am a very novice bottle-head, so please bear with me and forgive my clumsyness. If you look at the photos you will see this is pretty tall at nearly 13 inches.  The seam stops and   the top 3/4 ths inch is smooth.  But is is certainly not blob-top.  There is no marking that I can find except for a mark on the well worn bottom.  The thicknes of the bottom is uneven and there atre several air  bubbles.  I have more pix I you want. Post #: 1

RE: BOTTLE W/ GREAT STORY - 4/22/2007 8:39:33 PM    HAKZAW1   Posts: 11 Joined: 4/22/2007 Status: offline Or not-- where is the photo  thought i downloaded---why can this ever be simple. (in reply to HAKZAW1) Post #: 2

RE: BOTTLE W/ GREAT STORY - 4/22/2007 8:44:28 PM    HAKZAW1   Posts: 11 Joined: 4/22/2007 Status: offline TRYING AGAIN-- Attachment (1) (in reply to HAKZAW1) Post #: 3

RE: BOTTLE W/ GREAT STORY - 4/22/2007 9:06:45 PM    HAKZAW1   Posts: 11 Joined: 4/22/2007 Status: offline STILL TRYING... Attachment (1) (in reply to HAKZAW1) Post #: 4

RE: BOTTLE W/ GREAT STORY - 4/22/2007 9:12:49 PM    HAKZAW1   Posts: 11 Joined: 4/22/2007 Status: offline OK That was easier, but still not easy.. here the one I wanted to post first, i will reduce it more.  Thanks in advance for any info you will share.  I hope the "story" will check out but who knows--sometimes the fun is in the hunt. ( for info) Attachment (1) (in reply to HAKZAW1) Post #: 5

RE: BOTTLE W/ GREAT STORY - 4/22/2007 10:33:01 PM    annie44 Posts: 1095 Joined: 10/27/2005 Status: offline I believe you have an old pickle bottle.  (in reply to HAKZAW1) Post #: 6

RE: BOTTLE W/ GREAT STORY - 4/23/2007 1:23:47 AM    HunterGatherer   Posts: 98 Joined: 12/21/2006 Status: offline I've always wondered how they got pickles OUT of those things... (in reply to annie44) Post #: 7

RE: BOTTLE W/ GREAT STORY - 4/23/2007 8:07:46 AM    epgorge Posts: 2410 Joined: 12/29/2006 Status: offline That is a cathedral pickle circa 1900. Not the fanciest I have seen but still a nice bottle. Joel _____________________________ (in reply to HunterGatherer) Post #: 8

RE: BOTTLE W/ GREAT STORY - 4/23/2007 12:29:21 PM    HAKZAW1   Posts: 11 Joined: 4/22/2007 Status: offline quote: That is a cathedral pickle circa 1900. Not the fanciest I have seen but still a nice bottle. Joel Can't tell you all how much I appreciate the quick help. One of the truly great things about the internet is meeting nice people in the various forums.  Ok back to the bottle, first I didnt show you the side that is cracked.  It was never glued, it has just held together on its own, I dont know what about that and shipping  might not be good thing to do.  You might have also noticed a ding in the bottom,  Just condition issues. My next question may be answered by a bottle collector who was a navy Vet in WWII, as part of the 'great story' was that it was used 'message-in -a-bottle' style and tossed in the brink from the USS Yorktown.  They have a massive web site and I am going to email them to see if they can put me in touch with a vet from their galley( pickle dept,) at that point in time.  one thing for sure -  it does not look to me that it ever spent any time in the sea.  Perhaps some one cleaned it up,   I don't  really know.. One thing I DO know: I found four of the six names printed on it on rosters from POW camps.  Their names were  hand printed on a piece of old parachute silk.  The bottle cork is missing.  The owner got it at a flea market more than 20 years ago an doesn't remember much more than what I have told you.  Any more research help out there would be greatly appreciated.  There is no actual 'message', My un-educated guess is that some men on the Yorktown knew the six guys somehow( home town, basic, relative etc)  Four Navy two Army.  They knew that they were all pows somewhere in Japan,  it reads "To: TOKYO POW CAMP KAWASAKI JAPAN No.2"  and "From: OFFICERS and MEN U.S.S.YORKTOWN"  below that are printed the six names and their ranks.I discovered on  POW web page that to find any POW  run gooogle/yahoo search like this"Wyllsey,T.V."+POW-- This is one of the actual name from the message. Attachment (1) (in reply to epgorge) Post #: 9

RE: BOTTLE W/ GREAT STORY - 4/23/2007 12:34:38 PM    HAKZAW1   Posts: 11 Joined: 4/22/2007 Status: offline The silk is more than six feet long kinda pennant shaped  about 25 inches  at the top . Attachment (1) (in reply to HAKZAW1) Post #: 10

RE: BOTTLE W/ GREAT STORY - 4/23/2007 12:36:57 PM    HAKZAW1   Posts: 11 Joined: 4/22/2007 Status: offline More..., Attachment (1) (in reply to HAKZAW1) Post #: 11

RE: BOTTLE W/ GREAT STORY - 4/23/2007 9:04:29 PM    marjorie040 Posts: 365 Joined: 12/3/2006 Status: offline Hi HAKZAW1, My guess would have been Pepper Sauce. I saw similar bottles in my books but none over 10" however. Incidently, I live near Charleston, SC where the USS Yorktown is located. If I can be of any help to you to unravel the bottles' story, I'd be gald to assist. Regards, _____________________________ marjorie040 McClellanville, sc (in reply to HAKZAW1) Post #: 12

RE: BOTTLE W/ GREAT STORY - 4/23/2007 9:41:47 PM    hj   Posts: 112 Joined: 5/14/2006 From: Western Pa. Status: offline Hi Hakzaw1, I do not know what you already have on him, but here goes a quick background. Thomas Vernon Wellsley Born  August 11, 1902 around Baltimore MD Died  March 7, 1950 San Diego, CA Burial  Ft Rosecrans National Cemetery in California Wife  Viola Blythe Wellsly Master Sergeant, US Army Air Corps POW served at Tokyo POW Camp (Shinjuku) Tokyo Bay Area 35-140 Status listed as Returned to Military Control, Liberated or Repatriated This was scraped together quickly, don't take any of it as gospel. If you have any questions let me know. Did Army Air Corps soldiers serve on Naval vessels?? Regards, HJ < Message edited by hj -- 4/23/2007 9:42:24 PM > (in reply to marjorie040) Post #: 13

RE: BOTTLE W/ GREAT STORY - 4/23/2007 9:47:40 PM    HAKZAW1   Posts: 11 Joined: 4/22/2007 Status: offline thanks marj,  after what i have learned so far i think this bottle is too old to have been used at end of WWII and it looks like it has never been in the water,  so nice story but....If i found out that these were on board the Yorktown, with pickles, pepper sauce or whatever that would be a good sign, but.. I think it( the silk w/names) DID come off the York. but was never a message in the bottle, at least not this one. Is there a Yorktown museum  where you live?  maybe the owner would want to donate it instead of putting it on ebay. (in reply to marjorie040) Post #: 14

RE: BOTTLE W/ GREAT STORY - 4/23/2007 10:00:52 PM    HAKZAW1   Posts: 11 Joined: 4/22/2007 Status: offline HJ you are 'super' ==Just in case you are interested here are the other 5 names. I did not get hits on two of them. I think they were all pows that were known by the 'pennants' makers(crewmen of the Yorktown) as opposed to serving on the Yorktown. It reads from:yorktown .To: pow camp . Navy--H B sherry lt. Comd,  V N Bairey, mach. mate--N.S. Tattrie mach. mate-- G C Michels,elec.mate---   Army-- J W Britton, 28th  Bomb F.E.A.F.Mr. Sgt.---thanks,,,,, hakzaw1 (in reply to HAKZAW1) Post #: 15

RE: BOTTLE W/ GREAT STORY - 4/23/2007 10:20:46 PM    hj   Posts: 112 Joined: 5/14/2006 From: Western Pa. Status: offline Harmon B Sherry Verne Nicholas Bairey Norman Sidney Tattrie Glen Eugene Michels (I donot have a GC) all served at area 35-140 with Wellsly. John W Britton served close by at Tokyo Bay Area 35-139 If you need any more background, feel free to let me know. HJ (in reply to HAKZAW1) Post #: 16

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