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Beautiful Hammer Whittled Flask - 10/12/2011 8:30:37 PM    bottlekid76   Posts: 1229 Joined: 7/4/2010 From: Missouri Status: offline Hi all, I was out in a shop up in central Missouri a little while back and found this really crude and hammer whittled flask. I could see the whittle from 10 feet away! I was really hoping it wasn't damaged and seen it was excellent with no problems. Then I turned the price tag over and it said $15. So then it found a new home! ~Tim [image] _____________________________ ~ Always looking for colored pontiled sodas & Missouri bottles ~ Website: http://www.wix.com/chevelle_godsmack/bottlekid76 Post #: 1

RE: Beautiful Hammer Whittled Flask - 10/12/2011 9:00:19 PM    JOETHECROW Posts: 9804 Joined: 9/3/2005 From: Northwestern Pa. (Near scenic Lake Perfidy) Status: offline A major bargain you have there! Super nice. _____________________________ Joe ``````````````````````````````````` In the woods we return to reason and faith. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooTyuRd9zSg&feature=related (in reply to bottlekid76) Post #: 2

RE: Beautiful Hammer Whittled Flask - 10/12/2011 9:03:52 PM    mtfdfire22   Posts: 389 Joined: 2/7/2011 From: munger MI Status: offline purdy!!! _____________________________ intrested in buying: mungers sarsaparilla, matthew's patents, budweiser bottles, bay city mi bottles and saginaw bottles. (in reply to JOETHECROW) Post #: 3

RE: Beautiful Hammer Whittled Flask - 10/12/2011 9:04:42 PM    Wheelah23 Posts: 4292 Joined: 8/9/2010 From: Glen Ridge, New Jersey Status: offline I love those flasks! What's funny is, I haven't seen one like that that wasn't really whittled and crude... Lucky, I suppose... _____________________________ Looking for bottles from Glen Ridge, Montclair, Bloomfield, Orange, East Orange, West Orange, South Orange, and if I like 'em, any other bottles from Essex County NJ! Also Manahawkin NJ! Message me if you want to find them a new home. (in reply to JOETHECROW) Post #: 4

RE: Beautiful Hammer Whittled Flask - 10/12/2011 9:52:55 PM    surfaceone Posts: 7099 Joined: 12/9/2008 Status: offline Hey Tim, Nice photos, sir. You really captured the crudity on that on that cold mould ripple. Looks almost organic... I can almost feel the texture. Is it my color settings, or is there a fair amount of green in that? (in reply to bottlekid76) Post #: 5

RE: Beautiful Hammer Whittled Flask - 10/12/2011 10:02:26 PM    Penn Digger Posts: 1902 Joined: 5/12/2008 From: PA woods Status: offline Which glass house may have made this?  I have recently seen similar flasks on the bay listed as Stoddard??? PD _____________________________ Always looking for colored flasks (in reply to surfaceone) Post #: 6

RE: Beautiful Hammer Whittled Flask - 10/12/2011 10:21:22 PM    bottlekid76   Posts: 1229 Joined: 7/4/2010 From: Missouri Status: offline Thanks guys! It seems to be a golden amber in the top portion Surface, then goes to a kind of apricot color closer to the base. The pics turned out nice, but it seems even more whittled in person! PD - I'm not sure, i've seen them listed Stoddard too. _____________________________ ~ Always looking for colored pontiled sodas & Missouri bottles ~ Website: http://www.wix.com/chevelle_godsmack/bottlekid76 (in reply to Penn Digger) Post #: 7

RE: Beautiful Hammer Whittled Flask - 10/13/2011 6:49:57 AM    sandchip Posts: 1644 Joined: 9/1/2008 From: georgia Status: offline Wow! _____________________________ Jimbo (in reply to bottlekid76) Post #: 8

RE: Beautiful Hammer Whittled Flask - 10/13/2011 7:00:10 AM    Road Dog Posts: 2788 Joined: 6/9/2005 From: Clayton, North Carolina Status: offline Killer Flask! I saved your last pic thought it was excellent. (in reply to sandchip) Post #: 9

RE: Beautiful Hammer Whittled Flask - 10/13/2011 10:35:43 PM    KBbottles Posts: 1445 Joined: 2/24/2010 From: South Brunswick, NJ Status: offline Just curious... What exactly is hammer whittling in glass production terms? Never heard this before. (in reply to Road Dog) Post #: 10

RE: Beautiful Hammer Whittled Flask - 10/13/2011 11:01:36 PM    cobaltbot Posts: 3878 Joined: 4/7/2006 From: Delta, PA Status: offline stunner! _____________________________ My tombstone will read: He went out for a walk and never came back.... (in reply to KBbottles) Post #: 11

RE: Beautiful Hammer Whittled Flask - 10/14/2011 2:20:13 AM    blade   Posts: 699 Joined: 12/17/2005 Status: offline KBbottles, When the bottle is still warm and soft they hammer it with a small ball peened hammer. (in reply to cobaltbot) Post #: 12

RE: Beautiful Hammer Whittled Flask - 10/14/2011 6:02:10 AM    RICKJJ59W Posts: 11889 Joined: 3/8/2007 From: Lehigh Valley US of A Status: online quote: ORIGINAL: blade KBbottles, When the bottle is still warm and soft they hammer it with a small ball peened hammer. LOl Blade is on a roll  ----------------Happy Friday _____________________________ My web site. Lots of privy and dump dig pictures. Also dig story's I had published in Antique Bottle & Glass Collector magazine and Western & Eastern Treasure's www.19thcenturybottlediggers.com (in reply to blade) Post #: 13

RE: Beautiful Hammer Whittled Flask - 10/14/2011 6:16:08 AM    glass man Posts: 7739 Joined: 1/30/2008 From: GEORGIA Status: offline FAR OUT!!! _____________________________ LET NOT YOUR HEART BE TROUBLED ! IF YOU NEED A BLESSING OR A SONG THAT WILL PICK YOU UP PLEASE LISTEN TO THIS SONG FROM"VAN THE MAN"MORRISON! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi4R2YXv_AE (in reply to RICKJJ59W) Post #: 14

RE: Beautiful Hammer Whittled Flask - 10/14/2011 11:52:20 AM    KBbottles Posts: 1445 Joined: 2/24/2010 From: South Brunswick, NJ Status: offline From what one member pointed out to me... The "whittling" effect is actually from the glass being blown into a mold that is still cold and not at working temperature.  For example it could have been the first bottle made of the day in the morning during the cold months of the year.  Who knows... It is speculated that physically hammering the glass never occurred.  Not trying to argue or be a "smarta$$" on the forum as one member was quick to shoot a private email to me about early this morning.  Simply asked for clarification on the subject as I intend to be properly educated on the methods of bottle and glass production and think it is important for the collecting community as a whole to understand this as well. That is all, -KB _____________________________ Collecting NJ Pontil Sodas and anything else pontiled from NJ. Locals from New Brunswick, Kingston, Princeton, and South Brunswick area towns. Also starting to collect quart historical flasks that I like (and can afford!) (in reply to glass man) Post #: 15

RE: Beautiful Hammer Whittled Flask - 10/14/2011 12:34:16 PM    kungfufighter Posts: 1211 Joined: 2/18/2005 Status: online Blade's comment was made with tongue firmly planted in cheek.  "Whittle" is in itself a misnomer/urban myth of sorts that sprang from the erroneous notion that bottles were blown in hand whittled wooden molds.  The effect is in fact a reaction between the glass gather and the interior of the iron mold. _____________________________ www.jeffnholantiquebottles.com www.noordsyantiques.com (in reply to KBbottles) Post #: 16

RE: Beautiful Hammer Whittled Flask - 10/14/2011 12:59:06 PM    ms.gal   Posts: 44 Joined: 10/17/2010 Status: offline That whittle still happens today..I have a golden harvest mason pint that you can "feel" the wavyness..it caught my eye when I started to use it in canning.. (in reply to kungfufighter) Post #: 17

RE: Beautiful Hammer Whittled Flask - 10/14/2011 1:29:25 PM    buzzkutt033 Posts: 1381 Joined: 12/17/2007 From: East Penn Township Pennsylvania Status: online it seems that, particularly in the older glass, that the " whittling " effect is too common to be caused by " cold " moulds used at the beginning of shifts. could it be that the mould was dipped in water occasionally ? who knows ?? jim (in reply to ms.gal) Post #: 18

RE: Beautiful Hammer Whittled Flask - 10/14/2011 1:51:08 PM    RED Matthews Posts: 2392 Joined: 8/2/2008 Status: online Well I am really confused by all this business of whittle in the glass thickness.  When the hot glass formed parison was blown in the final mold the thickness of the glass was altered to match the hardening of the blown out parison.  If the metal was too cold the glass would set up thicker in that area and blow thin in between.  Early book writers started calling it whittle, unfortunately.  Early bottle makers in some of the South Jersey glass houses actually filled the closed mold with the molten glass, just to heat up the iron.  These solid bottles and jars were actually thrown away in the early glass house dumps, because they could not place them back in the molten glass crucible - and they had no way to break them up for reuse of the glass. I have covered this subject in a homepage subject, where I explained the way this rough light transmission got into the glass.  RED Matthews _____________________________ http://www.bottlemysteries.com/welcome/ (in reply to buzzkutt033) Post #: 19

RE: Beautiful Hammer Whittled Flask - 10/14/2011 1:57:20 PM    RED Matthews Posts: 2392 Joined: 8/2/2008 Status: online To continue this before I get timed out.  I asked a question many years ago in a Thatcher Glass Meeting that nearly got me fired,  and it took me 50 years to find the answer to my question.  I found it described in a book by Rhea Mansfield Knittle.  The where, why and when of the fact that they started chilling the iron of a glass mold cavity to produce the dendritic carbon pattern in the iron next to the glass cavity of the mold.  I don't know what else to put out to bottle collectors to resolve this confused subject.  This subject Flask is a beautiful example that any collector would like to own - even me.  Though I have many bottles with cold mold ripple in the glass.   RED Matthews  http://www.bottlemysteries.com/welcome  _____________________________ http://www.bottlemysteries.com/welcome/ (in reply to RED Matthews) Post #: 20

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