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Blown 3 piece mold bottle - 2/10/2004 3:14:47 PM    woody   Posts: 1674 Joined: 10/29/2002 From: Gilmanton, New Hampshire Status: online Here's a bottle I'm trying to find out about. It's an amber blown 3 piece mold bottle that was probably some sort of ale or beer bottle. It has ARNAS 20 on the bottom of the bottle. Has anyone else seen a bottle like this? Attachment (1) _____________________________ Woody Post #: 1

RE: Blown 3 piece mold bottle - 2/10/2004 3:15:36 PM    woody   Posts: 1674 Joined: 10/29/2002 From: Gilmanton, New Hampshire Status: online Here's the bottom view. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Woody (in reply to woody) Post #: 2

RE: Blown 3 piece mold bottle - 2/10/2004 3:54:29 PM    woody   Posts: 1674 Joined: 10/29/2002 From: Gilmanton, New Hampshire Status: online I forgot to mention that when I dug this bottle it came out of a dump that was used from the early 1800's until around 1890. _____________________________ Woody (in reply to woody) Post #: 3

RE: Blown 3 piece mold bottle - 2/10/2004 5:46:03 PM    Harry Pristis   Posts: 495 Joined: 7/24/2003 From: Northcentral Florida Status: offline Arnas is a city in East-central France. Does your bottle have any indication of a wire clamp? Many French beer bottles used a ceramic stopper with a wire bale to clamp it in place. ---------Harry Pristis _____________________________ ______________________________________________ Visit The Demijohn Page at: http://members.aol.com/pristis/index.html (in reply to woody) Post #: 4

RE: Blown 3 piece mold bottle - 2/10/2004 5:52:14 PM    woody   Posts: 1674 Joined: 10/29/2002 From: Gilmanton, New Hampshire Status: online There wasn't any wire clamp on the bottle when I found it, Harry, although it was in a dump and may have corroded off of the bottle. The bottle was found amongst many pontiled and pre-civil war era bottles. The dump may have even gone back to the late 18th century. Thanks for your help, Harry. _____________________________ Woody (in reply to woody) Post #: 5

RE: Blown 3 piece mold bottle - 2/11/2004 6:30:12 AM    Henrik35   Posts: 34 Joined: 10/29/2003 From: Sweden Status: offline Woody! It is not a French bottle, it is a Swedish one! Årnäs is the name of the glassworks which was situated in the western part of Sweden, near the big lake Vänern. Årnäs was a big manufacturer of these type of bottles. "20" is the number of the team of workmen that blowed this porter and beer bottle and not, what you could expect (but not in this case, as it was found in an old dump) the year when it was blown. To seal it, a cork was used, often fastened by a little piece of steel wire. I found these bottles very nice! They appear in three sizes. The early ones have three dots on the base besides the name of the glassworks. Greetings from Sweden! (in reply to woody) Post #: 6

RE: Blown 3 piece mold bottle - 2/11/2004 6:44:40 AM    woody   Posts: 1674 Joined: 10/29/2002 From: Gilmanton, New Hampshire Status: online Thanks so much, Henrik35. It great to know where it came from and a little history behind the bottle. Do you happen to know how old the bottle is? And yes, you are right about the bottle. It does have that little o above the A in Arnas. < Message edited by woody -- 2/11/2004 6:46:03 AM > _____________________________ Woody (in reply to woody) Post #: 7

RE: Blown 3 piece mold bottle - 2/11/2004 7:25:27 AM    Henrik35   Posts: 34 Joined: 10/29/2003 From: Sweden Status: offline Woody, I have been told that the number of the team of workmen showed up around at the turn of 1800-1900, which fits in to at what time the dump was abandoned. The bottle type was free hand blown by Årnäs during around 1810-1860 and then the three piece mold was introduced. The one I have with three dots, blown in 3PM, has been suggested to be blown 1860-70. Later versions had only one dot, but still no number of the team of workmen. Do you live in the UK? (in reply to woody) Post #: 8

RE: Blown 3 piece mold bottle - 2/11/2004 5:23:22 PM    woody   Posts: 1674 Joined: 10/29/2002 From: Gilmanton, New Hampshire Status: online No, Henrik, I live in the Northeastern part of the United States. The state of New Hampshire. Thanks so much for giving me the information about the Arnas Glassworks in Sweden. It must have been brought over by ship through the port of Portsmouth, N.H. or Boston, Mass. _____________________________ Woody (in reply to woody) Post #: 9

RE: Blown 3 piece mold bottle - 3/16/2004 5:23:56 AM    den3725   Posts: 2 Joined: 3/16/2004 Status: offline Howdy, I am new in here. I recently acquired several bottle like the one you show, but they are much darker and the pontil mark is very uneven, as are the necks on some of the specimens. Picture reduced in size. See Help - Using the Forum >> Uploading a Picture - Admin Attachment (1) < Message edited by Admin -- 3/16/2004 6:28:13 AM > (in reply to woody) Post #: 10

RE: Blown 3 piece mold bottle - 3/16/2004 7:13:25 PM    IRISH   Posts: 1238 Joined: 11/23/2002 From: cockatoo Australia Status: offline Hi den3725 welcome to the bottle forum to you and Henrik35 . Black glass porter, ale and whatever else they had in them bottles come in an endless variety. If your one's have a distinct base mark (like woody's one has) it is sometimes possible to find out where it was made, mostly though they are un-identifiable. They are nice bottles to dig, for all the hundreds I've dug of them it's still a thrill to pull one out 150 years (give or take a few decades) after it was throwen away . (in reply to woody) Post #: 11

RE: Blown 3 piece mold bottle - 3/17/2004 2:18:17 AM    den3725   Posts: 2 Joined: 3/16/2004 Status: offline Hello and thanks for the official welcome. I live in the North Cowichan Valley area on Vancouver Island and I have been digging and searching since '75. Right now I live very near Mt. Sicker (an old copper mining community around 1880-1920. I will include a brief paragraph about it. There are still some treasures to be found there but it is very well picked over, still, it is possible. I live basically at it's base and apparently there was a saw mill log chute that used to be very close to where I live. I have found old shards just walking down the road and since I came across your website I am itching to dig. Thanks again.. Mt Sicker, which lies between Duncan and Chemainus. At the turn of the century, the Mt Sicker copper mines just north of Duncan were so rich and so famous that two entire towns were built on the mountain, and two separate rack railways brought ore down to smelters at Cowichan Bay and Ladysmith. The one line had the steepest grade in Canada, and adventurous Victorians travelled to Duncan (on the E&N Railway), from where they could be thrilled with a ride up the gravity defying railway line, with its tight corners and triple switchbacks. (in reply to woody) Post #: 12

RE: Blown 3 piece mold bottle - 3/21/2004 11:18:58 AM    grdigger35   Posts: 161 Joined: 2/23/2004 From: Northern Michigan Status: offline Woody, I live in Upper Michigan and have a bottle like yours. It is the same except mine has a number 10, with the small zero, and 2 dots. I found it at an old lumbercamp. (in reply to woody) Post #: 13

RE: Blown 3 piece mold bottle - 3/22/2004 6:12:46 AM    Henrik35   Posts: 34 Joined: 10/29/2003 From: Sweden Status: offline Exciting, two Årnäs bottles brought by Swedish emigrants to their new country! Why? Bring your favourite beer? Hardly...even if this bottle type was blown for beer, a lot of other liquids have been stored in them. I have one with a label from a drugstore, found recently. (in reply to woody) Post #: 14

RE: Blown 3 piece mold bottle - 3/22/2004 7:57:40 AM    woody   Posts: 1674 Joined: 10/29/2002 From: Gilmanton, New Hampshire Status: online Interesting........ I wonder if they were imported to the United States, rather than being brought over by an individual from Sweden. _____________________________ Woody (in reply to woody) Post #: 15

RE: Blown 3 piece mold bottle - 3/29/2004 6:13:00 AM    Henrik35   Posts: 34 Joined: 10/29/2003 From: Sweden Status: offline I have now got more information about this issue. An Årnäs bottle still with content and label saying D CARNEGIE & Co. - BREWED AND BOTTLED AT GOTENBURG SWEDEN. - REG. US. PAT. OFF exists. Hence a Swedish brewery exported beer to the US! (in reply to woody) Post #: 16

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