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Blue Pontil Black Glass - 5/17/2008 9:20:50 AM    madpaddla Posts: 2805 Joined: 12/29/2005 From: The great state of New England Status: offline Got this one in an auction.  I was impressed by the ponitl. Thanks all. Attachment (1) < Message edited by madpaddla -- 5/17/2008 9:23:06 AM > _____________________________ It pays to look down. Ebay stuff http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZspliffybigfeetQQhtZ-1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-ckIv1tiaU&feature=related Post #: 1

RE: Blue Pontil Black Glass - 5/17/2008 9:24:32 AM    madpaddla Posts: 2805 Joined: 12/29/2005 From: The great state of New England Status: offline Nice pontil Attachment (1) (in reply to madpaddla) Post #: 2

RE: Blue Pontil Black Glass - 5/17/2008 9:26:21 AM    madpaddla Posts: 2805 Joined: 12/29/2005 From: The great state of New England Status: offline Whittle Any ideas on age, origin, etc.  Thanks all Madpaddla Attachment (1) _____________________________ It pays to look down. Ebay stuff http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZspliffybigfeetQQhtZ-1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-ckIv1tiaU&feature=related (in reply to madpaddla) Post #: 3

RE: Blue Pontil Black Glass - 5/17/2008 11:49:54 AM    karis66 Posts: 110 Joined: 5/31/2006 From: Lake's Region NH Status: offline Very Nice Bottle,I Pick 2 up at an auction  a couple weeks ago no idea what they are but they are sure pretty.  Congrats.   Kari (in reply to madpaddla) Post #: 4

RE: Blue Pontil Black Glass - 5/17/2008 12:30:21 PM    madpaddla Posts: 2805 Joined: 12/29/2005 From: The great state of New England Status: offline Thanks Kari: Does the blue mean a presence of iron ? (in reply to madpaddla) Post #: 5

RE: Blue Pontil Black Glass - 5/17/2008 1:10:35 PM    RedGinger   Posts: 992 Joined: 12/7/2007 Status: offline That's a nice bottle, Madpaddla.  Good find! _____________________________ [link] [/link] (in reply to madpaddla) Post #: 6

RE: Blue Pontil Black Glass - 5/17/2008 4:42:43 PM    glass man Posts: 1808 Joined: 1/30/2008 From: GEORGIA Status: online I LOVE THE BOTTLE !I HOPE SOMEONE CAN EXPLAIN THE BLUE ALSO! _____________________________ I know You've got mountains that you think you cannot climb Your skies are dark You think the sun won't shine Case you don't know The WORD OF GOD is true! ALL HE PROMISED HE WILL DO IT FOR YOU! JESUS IS THE ANSWER FOR THE WORLD TODAY JESUS IS THE WAY! (in reply to RedGinger) Post #: 7

RE: Blue Pontil Black Glass - 5/17/2008 5:04:36 PM    annie44 Posts: 1138 Joined: 10/27/2005 Status: offline Very nice bottle!  There are different opinions about the blue color on the base of your bottle.  Here is a link to one explanation, with a couple of dissenting opinions! http://www.antique-bottles.net/forum/m-13646/mpage-1/key-blue%252Cpontil/tm.htm#13666 (in reply to glass man) Post #: 8

RE: Blue Pontil Black Glass - 5/18/2008 3:04:11 AM    TROG   Posts: 262 Joined: 9/27/2004 From: South Australia Status: offline The blue colour is caused from the refiring of the glass to smooth out a rough pontil _____________________________ AMERICAN POT LIDS WANTED (in reply to annie44) Post #: 9

RE: Blue Pontil Black Glass - 5/18/2008 12:24:13 PM    buzzkutt033   Posts: 404 Joined: 12/17/2007 From: East Penn Township Pennsylvania Status: online i think what the folks are asking is, is this an graphite or iron pontil that is refired?? does the mineral deposit from the pontil create the blue color? if not, what creates the blueish area in brown/green glass?? Jim (in reply to TROG) Post #: 10

RE: Blue Pontil Black Glass - 5/18/2008 12:49:49 PM    kungfufighter   Posts: 174 Joined: 2/18/2005 Status: online At risk of restating myself I am of the strong opinion that "refired pontils" are an urban myth.  If the glassblower had the mechanical skills to hold the bottle while "refiring" the pontil why would he need a pontil rod in the first place?  The blue hue seen at the base of some black glass bottles (and at times seen on the bottle as a whole) is the result of the use of "glassgall" (a turquoise blue opaque sulphate salt of sodium) in the attachment of the pontil rod to the base.  It is most common in Belgian made bottles but also seen in English made bottles.  The blue hue can also be the result of the rueuse of blast furnace slag in the batch of glass.  Further info on the topic can be gleaned from Willy Van den Bossche's "Antique Glass Bottles."   _____________________________ www.jeffnholantiquebottles.com www.noordsyantiques.com (in reply to buzzkutt033) Post #: 11

RE: Blue Pontil Black Glass - 5/18/2008 1:41:42 PM    madpaddla Posts: 2805 Joined: 12/29/2005 From: The great state of New England Status: offline The idea of brought by Kung is very valid.  What would the need be?  And damaging the bottle would be a real risk.  With the time and more importantly the money of producing the bottle, why refire the pontil?  Either or I enjoy the piece and the discussion.  Thanks all.  Here is a different shot of the pontil in question. Madpaddla Attachment (1) (in reply to kungfufighter) Post #: 12

RE: Blue Pontil Black Glass - 5/18/2008 1:53:23 PM    madpaddla Posts: 2805 Joined: 12/29/2005 From: The great state of New England Status: offline And lip. Is this American or English?  I was leaning toward UK but I just post bottles I find and know little of thier origin etc. Thanks Attachment (1) < Message edited by madpaddla -- 5/18/2008 1:54:14 PM > _____________________________ It pays to look down. Ebay stuff http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZspliffybigfeetQQhtZ-1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-ckIv1tiaU&feature=related (in reply to madpaddla) Post #: 13

RE: Blue Pontil Black Glass - 5/18/2008 11:05:17 PM    buzzkutt033   Posts: 404 Joined: 12/17/2007 From: East Penn Township Pennsylvania Status: online thanx Jeff.  makes sense to me. after being away from the hobby at least 25 years, i'm finding the Internet a great great tool. back in the old days................  oh no !! Jim (in reply to madpaddla) Post #: 14

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