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COSTAR POISON discussion...... - 10/29/2011 8:44:19 AM   
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Please go to the following threads in case you haven't already been involved in what appears to be a COSTAR poison. There are two photos you can look at. Since this is a POISON group, I thought you might be interested in all the participants who were answering my call for help to identify a bottle I have. Please feel free to add to the discussion.
Thanks,
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Thread: Anybody know what this is?
http://www.antique-bottles.net/forum/m-461848/mpage-1/key-/tm.htm#461853

Thread: Need ID on an ink....COSTAR on bottom.
http://www.antique-bottles.net/forum/m-461841/mpage-1/key-/tm.htm#461855
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RE: COSTAR POISON discussion...... - 10/29/2011 9:23:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, here is my thoughts.  Many bottles had poison in them, but the bottle themselves had no distinguishing characteristics that said Poison to anyone.  If it wasn't for the label, nobody would know.

Now for the other side of the coin.

If COSTAR made nothing but bug and vermin poisons (can anyone verify this?), then with the embossing on the base, this would be classified as a poison as it would not have contained anything else (Kind of like most bug and rat poisons).  But we have to be sure the COSTAR did not make anything else...and an ad picturing this bottle would help along with one with a label.

The closest thing to this that I can find is a KC-18.  Its "Farmers Rat Paste".  Has the same shape, 2" tall and all the embossing is on the base.  Has a rat and the words above. 

So the possibility is there, we just have to be sure the COSTAR did not make or market anything other than bug and rat poisons and it's good.



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RE: COSTAR POISON discussion...... - 10/29/2011 9:35:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Did a google of past ABN discussions and PUPMAN seemed to be quite the expert on bug and rat poisons...  I havn't seen a post from him lately, but being someone who specializes in particular lines, would be a great resource.  This came from one of Ryan's digz in '07

http://www.antique-bottles.net/forum/m-97836/mpage-26/tm.htm

I will call Jerry tonight to see what his take is since he has collected most poisons for way longer than we have.  He is always a wealth of knowledge.  This bottle is not listed in our books, but maybe it should be.


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RE: COSTAR POISON discussion...... - 10/29/2011 10:28:28 AM   
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If COSTAR made nothing but bug and vermin poisons (can anyone verify this?), then with the embossing on the base, this would be classified as a poison as it would not have contained anything else (Kind of like most bug and rat poisons).  But we have to be sure the COSTAR did not make anything else...and an ad picturing this bottle would help along with one with a label.



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RE: COSTAR POISON discussion...... - 10/29/2011 10:34:50 AM   
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RE: COSTAR POISON discussion...... - 10/29/2011 10:57:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, will wait to hear from you or PUPMAN. In case you need the photo of the bottle, here it is again.




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RE: COSTAR POISON discussion...... - 10/29/2011 12:18:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks, Jim..  I did read both threads as linked at the beginning here, but it doesnt tell me if they made anything else but this.  That's my question, if they made stomach tablets or anything but bug and rat poison that this bottle would have contained.  Just have to eliminate all question of what came in the bottle. But so far, nobody has come forward with anything like an add for this other that what has come forward....so the jury is still out.


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RE: COSTAR POISON discussion...... - 10/29/2011 12:40:05 PM   
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Status: online 		Oh Ok, it would seem odd to me that a man whose company advertises on the side of rats would also have another product that wasn't some sort of poison or pesticide but I guess it's possible...

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RE: COSTAR POISON discussion...... - 10/30/2011 4:41:32 AM   
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Thanks, Jim..  I did read both threads as linked at the beginning here, but it doesnt tell me if they made anything else but this.  That's my question, if they made stomach tablets or anything but bug and rat poison that this bottle would have contained.  Just have to eliminate all question of what came in the bottle. But so far, nobody has come forward with anything like an add for this other that what has come forward....so the jury is still out.


What seems odder to me than any other point is this, Why would you put poison into a bottle without bumps points lines stars or all the other embossed signals that told a person in dim (candle) LITE that it was a poison, I thought that was the idea , the reason for alla points stars lines and bumps onna poison bottles??????

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RE: COSTAR POISON discussion...... - 10/30/2011 6:06:57 AM   
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What seems odder to me than any other point is this, Why would you put poison into a bottle without bumps points lines stars or all the other embossed signals that told a person in dim (candle) LITE that it was a poison, I thought that was the idea , the reason for alla points stars lines and bumps onna poison bottles??????

Lyons Powder wasn't covered in bumps either Andy....Jim

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RE: COSTAR POISON discussion...... - 10/30/2011 8:34:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bug and rat poisons don't follow normal methods of identification.  Many of them don't have the usual warning embossing that a pharmacy poison would have. This is why I have to reserve myself until it can be proven, without a doubt, that it could only have had a poison in it to say it is a poison bottle.


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RE: COSTAR POISON discussion...... - 10/30/2011 9:29:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm pretty sure Costar only sold vermin killing products.
but...
If you are willing to beleive Henry Costar's ads from the 1860s, it is not a poison.






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RE: COSTAR POISON discussion...... - 10/30/2011 9:33:03 AM   
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The following is from the book "New York's Great Industries", written by Richard Edwards in 1885....Seems Vermin and bugs weren't the only thing Henry was selling.....Jim

The company also manufactures the famous "Silver Ore Stove Polish Lacquer , which when applied to stoves, heaters, ranges and grates shines with black silver brillancy." The company also manufactures the "Red Metallic Lacquer," which is specific to cleaning and polishing, and is warranted not to scratch or blemish. The company is also the manufacturer of the popular "Yosemite Sift Crystals," which stand unrivaled for the bath, the toilet, or as a healer of cutaneous troubles(sores). It will cure catarrh, and is the best thing to add to the water for the cleansing of delicate fabrics and is unsurpassed for general laundry.


I'm thinking this is a stove polish or blacking bottle and NOT a poison....Jim

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RE: COSTAR POISON discussion...... - 10/30/2011 9:36:17 AM   
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http://books.google.com/books?id=ZJi9P1eCf3MC&pg=PA208&lpg=PA208&dq=%22henry+r.+costar%22&source=bl&ots=C1uHjr4pvN&sig=DxJYAWNeWmNWCLCWDZiDvQAwakM&hl=en&ei=YU2tTpOEO8rc0QHs4NzGDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result#v=onepage&q=%22henry%20r.%20costar%22&f=false

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RE: COSTAR POISON discussion...... - 10/30/2011 10:11:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is an interesting bit of extra info on the COSTAR company of New York. It also relates to lack of proper labeling on their poison products.

"ARRESTED FOR MANSLAUGHTER; OFFICERS OF THE COSTAR COMPANY IN JAIL IN YONKERS. Two Children Died After Eating Rat Exterminator

YONKERS, N.Y., Nov. 15 -- Gilbert L. Richardson. President, and Michael Kelley, Vice President, of the Costar Company, 34 Clinton Place, New-York City, were arrested to-night and locked up on a charge of manslaughter. They are held without bail. The arrests were made by order of Coroner Miles."

Mary Linehan, 4 years of age, fed her 2 year old brother Michael Linehan a spoonful of rat exterminator and then took some herself. The Coroner's report cited that "The label on the box read Costar's Rat and Roach Exterminator. Non-poisonous. No danger in using."




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RE: COSTAR POISON discussion...... - 10/30/2011 10:14:26 AM   
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RE: COSTAR POISON discussion...... - 10/30/2011 10:32:10 AM   
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stove polish or blacking bottle


possible, looks a bit small but its hard to tell in a photo.
How big is it?
Good find on the addition product info , I have only ever seen his bug killer ads which must have been his main sellers.

His non-poisonous claim is obviously highy dubious.

Assuming for a second this was some sort of bug killer (which it may not have been since he sold other stuff)...
The question is "is something sold which is not intended to be a poison still considered a poison bottle?"
There are many products which were probably poisonous (varnishes, mercury, naptha, etc) that I dont think collectors call poisons.
There seems to be some gray areas for poison bottle catagorization.


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RE: COSTAR POISON discussion...... - 10/30/2011 10:40:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting reads.....  love it!  Great detective work.

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RE: COSTAR POISON discussion...... - 10/30/2011 4:05:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hello Poison Group,
I would like to thank everyone for the great effort you put into researching COSTAR for me. Of course, the more that people got involved, the more the "hunt" became a "major search" for truth & knowledge. That is what I think I love the most about bottle digging & collecting and that is the historical researching that goes on when you find something new. Thank God for the Internet and for those who have spent a good deal of their lives loving this hobby and recording their findings. Other than that, it is the feel of old glass in my hands and admiring its beauty that thrills me and, I must say, it is hard for me not to think about the person who used the contents internally for an ailment when I dig a medicine. You see, I collect medicines, mainly cures, and studying the advancement of "natural medicines" entrigues me. Even today, I try to use only natural cures for my own ailments and so far, it is working for me but I must say, there is a place for "Western" medicine for those whose disease has gone too far to be affected by some of the old herbal remedies. The secret is making sure you take care of your body and not abusing it (too much) as the years progress.
So, I thank you all for your time and I really enjoy this forum due to folks like you. You are the cream at the top!
Best regards,
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RE: COSTAR POISON discussion...... - 10/31/2011 6:59:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, got off the phone with Jerry.  And with it's shape, size and the resemblance to other like products, he gives it a 75% chance that it is indeed the rat paste.  But he agrees, with no labeled example, we can't be sure.


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