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Colored Pontiled Utility W/Label - 2/5/2011 4:04:58 PM    botlenut Posts: 466 Joined: 9/6/2007 From: Hadley, New York Status: offline Hi everyone, I was out and about today picking through some Antique Shops. I came up to a case, and noticed a darker then aqua Utility Type Bottle in the back. I thought, judging by the flared lip, and style of bottle, that should be pontiled. I asked for assistance to take a closer look, and was pleased to see it still had the first half of its label, and better yet, it was in a sweet shade of pure olive green. I looked at the base, and was surprised to see a rough pontil, nearly the size of the base itself. It is attic mint, and the price was a no brainer, so I picked it up for re-sale. The label is only half intact, and here is what there is remaining. Anybody know this name, or if its Auburn Maine, New York, or Texas? I will show you the bottle, and pontil first then the label. Any help would be appreciated. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Collector of Half Pint Mineral Waters, Pontiled Colognes, Odd Colored Violin Bottles, as well as whatever I like at the time. Post #: 1

RE: Colored Pontiled Utility W/Label - 2/5/2011 4:06:28 PM    botlenut Posts: 466 Joined: 9/6/2007 From: Hadley, New York Status: offline Here's the open pontil. Almost as big as the base huh? I expected a tubular Pontil Attachment (1) _____________________________ Collector of Half Pint Mineral Waters, Pontiled Colognes, Odd Colored Violin Bottles, as well as whatever I like at the time. (in reply to botlenut) Post #: 2

RE: Colored Pontiled Utility W/Label - 2/5/2011 4:07:20 PM    botlenut Posts: 466 Joined: 9/6/2007 From: Hadley, New York Status: offline Here's what remains of the label. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Collector of Half Pint Mineral Waters, Pontiled Colognes, Odd Colored Violin Bottles, as well as whatever I like at the time. (in reply to botlenut) Post #: 3

RE: Colored Pontiled Utility W/Label - 2/5/2011 4:08:06 PM    botlenut Posts: 466 Joined: 9/6/2007 From: Hadley, New York Status: offline Another next to an aqua Cologne Attachment (1) _____________________________ Collector of Half Pint Mineral Waters, Pontiled Colognes, Odd Colored Violin Bottles, as well as whatever I like at the time. (in reply to botlenut) Post #: 4

RE: Colored Pontiled Utility W/Label - 2/5/2011 4:08:55 PM    botlenut Posts: 466 Joined: 9/6/2007 From: Hadley, New York Status: offline one more. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Collector of Half Pint Mineral Waters, Pontiled Colognes, Odd Colored Violin Bottles, as well as whatever I like at the time. (in reply to botlenut) Post #: 5

RE: Colored Pontiled Utility W/Label - 2/5/2011 5:42:47 PM    CazDigger Posts: 584 Joined: 6/26/2005 From: Central NY State Status: offline Hi Mark, the bottle looks to be 1830s and has the color of Mt Vernon glass therefore it is probably Auburn NY. I searched and found some ads from 1833-47 for a Richard Steel Druggist in Auburn NY. I would be willing to bet that he is your man.`I am VERY interested in this bottle, PM me please! Mark (in reply to botlenut) Post #: 6

RE: Colored Pontiled Utility W/Label - 2/5/2011 7:08:57 PM    botlenut Posts: 466 Joined: 9/6/2007 From: Hadley, New York Status: offline Hi Mark, thanks for the info. I bet your right. All the peices of the puzzle seem to fit. I agree, it does look to be very early. Here's a shot of the lip, and a different angle on the pontil. I was going to list it on Ebay, but if you are interested, feal free to email me an offer. This isnt really my area of expertise, therefore I'm not sure what I am looking for out of it. I was going to list it with no reserve, and let the bidders have some fun. But if the offer was right, I might be willing to sell it outright. Thanks for doing some research. I bet your right. here's a close up of the lip. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Collector of Half Pint Mineral Waters, Pontiled Colognes, Odd Colored Violin Bottles, as well as whatever I like at the time. (in reply to CazDigger) Post #: 7

RE: Colored Pontiled Utility W/Label - 2/5/2011 7:09:49 PM    botlenut Posts: 466 Joined: 9/6/2007 From: Hadley, New York Status: offline here's another angle of the pontil. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Collector of Half Pint Mineral Waters, Pontiled Colognes, Odd Colored Violin Bottles, as well as whatever I like at the time. (in reply to botlenut) Post #: 8

RE: Colored Pontiled Utility W/Label - 2/5/2011 7:19:10 PM    photolitherland   Posts: 313 Joined: 6/20/2009 From: Russellville, Arkansas Status: offline What an incredible bottle, never seen one quite like it but then again, Ive only been at this for a couple years. _____________________________ I see a mansard roof through the trees, the ground beneath my feet, it has garbage and concrete. (in reply to botlenut) Post #: 9

RE: Colored Pontiled Utility W/Label - 2/5/2011 7:26:38 PM    sandchip Posts: 1644 Joined: 9/1/2008 From: georgia Status: offline What an awesome bottle and label, even if only half.  There's also an  Auburn in Alabama, but I think ol' Caz probably got it right. _____________________________ Jimbo (in reply to photolitherland) Post #: 10

RE: Colored Pontiled Utility W/Label - 2/5/2011 7:39:18 PM    cyberdigger Posts: 12291 Joined: 11/29/2008 From: I 195 @ US 9, NJ USA Status: offline Nice work, Mark! Attachment (1) (in reply to botlenut) Post #: 11

RE: Colored Pontiled Utility W/Label - 2/5/2011 8:12:27 PM    botlenut Posts: 466 Joined: 9/6/2007 From: Hadley, New York Status: offline Thanks for the nice comments, I was pretty pleased with my eye to spot it buried in the back of the case. I have a few of these shops I hit every time I am near by, and have a few minutes. Some of them never seem to have anyhing fresh, others get new stuff often. (Usually not Colored Pontiled Utilitys though) This Shop is a couple blocks from the National Bottle Museum in Ballston Spa New York. _____________________________ Collector of Half Pint Mineral Waters, Pontiled Colognes, Odd Colored Violin Bottles, as well as whatever I like at the time. (in reply to cyberdigger) Post #: 12

RE: Colored Pontiled Utility W/Label - 2/5/2011 8:22:34 PM    Steve/sewell Posts: 4284 Joined: 1/23/2010 Status: offline Nice bottle,very crude, Richard Steel was a druggist who arrived in Auburn in 1817.Beginning between 1817 and 1827 he began his druggist business.I would say 1820 to 1835 as for the manufacture of the bottle.As Mark stated the color and the style of the bottle makes Mt Vernon a likely place of manufacture.If you are selling the bottle Mark would be an excellant choice as he is passionate about the Mt Vernon glass. _____________________________ Auf Wiedersehen (in reply to CazDigger) Post #: 13

RE: Colored Pontiled Utility W/Label - 2/6/2011 12:04:32 AM    JOETHECROW Posts: 9804 Joined: 9/3/2005 From: Northwestern Pa. (Near scenic Lake Perfidy) Status: offline Awesome bottle, (and homework!) guys....I agree that if you guys can come to a deal, that I can't think of anyone more fitting than Mark to have it!....Great old bottle. _____________________________ Joe ``````````````````````````````````` In the woods we return to reason and faith. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooTyuRd9zSg&feature=related (in reply to Steve/sewell) Post #: 14

RE: Colored Pontiled Utility W/Label - 2/6/2011 12:36:14 AM    tigue710 Posts: 4140 Joined: 7/11/2007 From: connecticut - nor cal Status: offline Sweet vial... I've dug a few like it broken in 1820-40 dumps... The pontil is a solid iron bar type that was used in England at the time, making it most likely English in origin. _____________________________ •={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•= (in reply to JOETHECROW) Post #: 15

RE: Colored Pontiled Utility W/Label - 2/6/2011 6:42:52 AM    deepbluedigger   Posts: 593 Joined: 1/12/2006 From: Yorkshire, England Status: offline Tigue has a point. Colour and pontil do look English, and that bottle wouldn't be questioned as English if it turned up on this side of the Atlantic. But I don't know the first thing about Mt Vernon glass : maybe a lot of it looks English? _____________________________ www.diggersdiary.co.uk (in reply to tigue710) Post #: 16

RE: Colored Pontiled Utility W/Label - 2/6/2011 9:56:49 AM    CazDigger Posts: 584 Joined: 6/26/2005 From: Central NY State Status: offline I have seen base shards with that same pontil from Mt Vernon. The same technique was used here for very early bottles that was used in England prior to 1840s. Tigue, maybe some of the vials you are finding actually are American. Many of the early medicines found here that many assume are English are actually copycats of popular English products (Turlington's etc.) that were made at most early American glass houses. The color of this vial is almost an exact match for the standard glass batch used at My Vernon. I think that it was found in NY state and has an Auburn label also helps identify it as Mt Vernon about 50 miles from the Glassworks. Several well known Auburn NY meds were also made at Mt Vernon (Fosgates Anodyne Cordial, I Coverts Balm of Life, etc) so their salesmen actively marketed there. When attributing unembossed bottles though it is almost impossible to say for sure, but only probable. (in reply to deepbluedigger) Post #: 17

RE: Colored Pontiled Utility W/Label - 2/6/2011 10:47:38 AM    beendiggin Posts: 3005 Joined: 6/30/2005 Status: offline Excellent find. way to keep your eyes open! _____________________________ Paul (in reply to botlenut) Post #: 18

RE: Colored Pontiled Utility W/Label - 2/6/2011 12:00:46 PM    botlenut Posts: 466 Joined: 9/6/2007 From: Hadley, New York Status: offline Thanks for your thoughts on this bottle everyone, I have to agree with Caz, in that everything fits, from the time frame this nearby Glassworks was blowing bottles with this interesting Pontil scar in this same color It would seam this Druggist would purchase his wares locally instead of from England. _____________________________ Collector of Half Pint Mineral Waters, Pontiled Colognes, Odd Colored Violin Bottles, as well as whatever I like at the time. (in reply to beendiggin) Post #: 19

RE: Colored Pontiled Utility W/Label - 2/6/2011 2:14:34 PM    earlyglass   Posts: 1067 Joined: 12/21/2004 Status: offline I would agree with Caz. So many of these utilitarian type bottles were made for decades at both American and English glass factories. You will drive yourself nuts trying to determine where these type of bottles were made, and there any MANY other bottles as well that you will leave you wondering. The fact that there was a merchant from Auburn NY that matches the label is significant for a piece like this. Chances are highly likely of local production, so Mount Vernon, Peterboro or Cleveland would first come to mind, however, the glass color is a close match to many Mt. Vernon pieces I have seen. Mike (in reply to botlenut) Post #: 20

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