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Crooked necks mean what exactly? - 3/27/2011 8:18:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is one I have with a seriously crooked neck and I have to wonder if it was even used in a mold(mould?) or if it was handblown. I don't know how to tell the difference yet. I am still too new at this.


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RE: Crooked necks mean what exactly? - 3/27/2011 8:27:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		The bottle was probably slightly heavier on one side of its long neck and when it was taken out of the mold it sagged or leaned slightly off center.
On bottles of this type I would expect to see almost as many crooked necks as straight ones.Nice bottle now your talking 1903 to 1910 as to its year of manufacture.It is still ABM (Automatic Bottle Machine) made.

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RE: Crooked necks mean what exactly? - 3/27/2011 8:37:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		That bottle is blown in a mold then the lip is hand tooled, which is why the seam does not go to the top of the bottle. If it was made in an automatic bottle machine (patented in 1903) the seam would go to the top of the bottle like modern glass bottles. After handling some more bottles you should begin to recognize the characteristics of both quite easily.

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RE: Crooked necks mean what exactly? - 3/27/2011 8:38:54 PM   
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RE: Crooked necks mean what exactly? - 3/27/2011 8:40:18 PM   
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That bottle is blown in a mold then the lip is hand tooled, which is why the seam does not go to the top of the bottle. If it was made in an automatic bottle machine (patented in 1903) the seam would go to the top of the bottle like modern glass bottles. After handling some more bottles you should begin to recognize the characteristics of both quite easily.
    Looks   BIM   to me  also


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RE: Crooked necks mean what exactly? - 3/27/2011 8:46:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Scroll to the right, Look at the picture on the bottom most right,I thought it was hand made also but I see a large suction ring around the perimeter.

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RE: Crooked necks mean what exactly? - 3/27/2011 8:51:19 PM   
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RE: Crooked necks mean what exactly? - 3/27/2011 8:52:26 PM   
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Scroll to the right, Look at the picture on the bottom most right,I thought it was hand made also but I see a large suction ring around the perimeter.


I saw that too, but don't key molds or hinge molds (I don't know the official name) look the same? Confusing indeed.

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RE: Crooked necks mean what exactly? - 3/27/2011 8:58:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		It looks bim to me too. The base ring looks like it could go either way.  Can we get a close up of the neck/ lip area?

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RE: Crooked necks mean what exactly? - 3/27/2011 9:01:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Are you talking about the ring on the base? What about this bottle?




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RE: Crooked necks mean what exactly? - 3/27/2011 9:04:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wheela23 It does look like a key mold but the circular area is usually smaller in diameter in that type of mold.I have seen sauce bottles like this in turn of the century dumps that look older then they are.




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RE: Crooked necks mean what exactly? - 3/27/2011 9:10:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		OMG.. now I am more confused than ever. BIM - Blown in Mold?
ABM - Automatic Bottle Machine. So it has to be one or the other but both use a mold right?
How do you know when a bottle is hand-blown without a mold? What are the characteristics.


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RE: Crooked necks mean what exactly? - 3/27/2011 9:13:25 PM   
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OMG.. now I am more confused than ever.



Me too.

How far up does the seam go on that bottle? Does it disappear before the lip/top of the bottle? That's what Ive always used as the main indicator of determining if a bottle was blown in mold.

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RE: Crooked necks mean what exactly? - 3/27/2011 9:17:20 PM   
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RE: Crooked necks mean what exactly? - 3/27/2011 9:21:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		ill say semi automatic on that one, very crude, if its abm its early nice bottle

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RE: Crooked necks mean what exactly? - 3/27/2011 9:27:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well this is interesting... the seam does not appear to be going into the neck of the bottle. There are some deep tool mark gouges the lip/top of the bottle especially on each side where the seam ends before the lip. As if someone, use the tool to squeeze a seam on each side. Does this help? Does it mean it was BIM and the lip/top was applied after? There is also what appears to be heavy polishing marks around the bottle vertically as if it was hand buffed.

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RE: Crooked necks mean what exactly? - 3/27/2011 9:29:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Cheryl does the seam travel to the top of the bottle or does it gradually disappear and fade into the top of the neck.




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RE: Crooked necks mean what exactly? - 3/27/2011 9:33:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		When you say seam, do we mean an outward bulbous seam? The reason I ask is that the top lip area has some marks in line with the seam but it is NOT the seam, I am certain. It appears that a neck was created to fit it and the tool marks are in line with seam but INDENT, do not protude. I can't get a true closeup to show that fine detail.
It begins to disappear below the lip a short ways down like your diagram but then it has heavy buff marks circumventing the neck round and round and the seam completing melts away before the lip.


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RE: Crooked necks mean what exactly? - 3/27/2011 9:41:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I find this also very interesting. It appears that the maker attempted to straighten the crooked neck by pulling it slightly to one side: thus the toolmarks are deep and there are two small enlonged fractures within the neck/lip area where the attempt was made. I love this bottle.


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RE: Crooked necks mean what exactly? - 3/27/2011 9:42:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		You know it does look like a gob feeder made bottle the more I look at it.This would make it semi automated  like madman said.Its still right there around the turn of the century.

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