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E.G. Booz aqua cabin? - 6/25/2010 11:49:25 AM   
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My first thought was "Clevenger".  It looks very convincing!  I'd love to hear people's thoughts on this one.
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RE: E.G. Booz aqua cabin? - 6/25/2010 1:33:33 PM   
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Hey its GUARENTEED to be old and original, dont tell me you are questioning Bleeding_gums

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RE: E.G. Booz aqua cabin? - 6/25/2010 1:35:15 PM   
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There have been some great past forum Booz posts worth re-reading...
http://www.antique-bottles.net/forum/m-18004/mpage-1/key-booz/tm.htm#18042


based on the experts info it appears to be a repro...

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RE: E.G. Booz aqua cabin? - 6/25/2010 2:28:06 PM   
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If you go to the reproduction bottles and jars area of the forum you will see my post explaining everything about how to tell an original from the Clevengers version.The only known aqua and its a faint aqua colored original is in the Corning museum.It is one of the top three in rarity as only one has ever been recorded ever and it is the one at the Corning museum.Originals are always amber usually dark but occasionally a lighter shade of orangy amber.




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RE: E.G. Booz aqua cabin? - 6/25/2010 2:33:00 PM   
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The ultra rare one and only aqua version. The Mckearin numbered GVII-5 in the Corning museum.
The value on this bottle is 6 figures no doubt.




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RE: E.G. Booz aqua cabin? - 6/25/2010 3:03:39 PM   
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I guess "old and original" can be misleading. To a teenager 40 years is old, and it is an original reproduction

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RE: E.G. Booz aqua cabin? - 6/25/2010 4:13:42 PM   
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Very true Matt I am living that right now with my wonderfull teen year children.The biggest change in my son is two years ago at fourteen I could walk into the room after a long days work and my son would say Hi Dad I am done my home work I' ve done my weight training ect ect.Now when I walk into a room he says just two words WWWWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTT DDDDDDDAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDD takes a while to get them out but you get the picture.

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RE: E.G. Booz aqua cabin? - 6/25/2010 5:26:52 PM   
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Well Steve and Matt,  I just came in here to the computer and got to read your coverage of this fraud attempt.  Just before this treat, I got out my three E.G, BOOZE bottles and set them in the bow window.  As I was doing this Steve, I thought of your visit and the fact that you would get to see my three repros - one I think is Clevenger and two were created by Smith Glass.  Unique timing. RED M.


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RE: E.G. Booz aqua cabin? - 6/25/2010 5:34:42 PM   
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Poor Steve! You've got a few more years of torture! At least I feel like the worst for me has passed, since my daughter is now 19. It was rough!  Still is, but a lot calmer.

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RE: E.G. Booz aqua cabin? - 6/25/2010 7:00:01 PM   
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Steve,they also come in green, I know this because I dug a broken one.

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RE: E.G. Booz aqua cabin? - 6/25/2010 8:48:27 PM   
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Here is another thats getting up there.....


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RE: E.G. Booz aqua cabin? - 6/25/2010 8:56:39 PM   
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Blade if you even found a half of a green one do you still have it because theyre are none recorded other then the one in the Corning museum which I show pictured here and that is a clear aqua.When the Mckearins,and Kenneth Wilson and all of the the people who compiled the book American Bottles and Flasks and their Ancestory talked about the possibility of there being colors other then various shades of amber all of the olive and dark green bottles which were supposed to be originals turned out to be Clevengers.You have to remember when this book was compiled the Clevengers had already done their dirty work producing thousands of them in the first years 1933 to 1937 in amber. Then came the different colors just after that.Different collectors and authors have raised the possibility of different colors but none have ever surfaced.I wish someone would post their green Whitney Manufactured Booz bottle here at the forum because at that point it would become a bidding war on the part of the glass auction houses to compete to sell it.The day you see a Green Booz bottle at auction is the day the new record established this past year when a Dr. Dyott G-1-114 blue flask sold for I think 110,000.00 will be surpassed in the first day of the two week auction.I cant say for for 100 percent sure that any green 1860 to 1870 Whitney produced Booz bottles were in fact manufactured.I live 6 miles from where they were made.There are an awful lot of glass collectors here in Southern New Jersey.Some real oldtimers in their nineties now all who have Booz bottles in their collections have never seen one in green only in the amber.I have talked to at least twenty different prominent collectors but none of them have ever personally seen a green Booz bottle.They have heard rumors of them but they always turned out to be the Clevenger made versions.You would think in this day and age that one would have sold at auction in the last thirty years. I cant find any record of it.I have seven original Whitney produced Booz Bottles 4 staright roofs and three beveled.The only difference in the color is determined by the thickness of the glass.Thicker glass is always darker,the thinner glass shows up as a pale orangy amber in the corners of the bottle where the glass blower had a hard time getting the glass to stay.

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RE: E.G. Booz aqua cabin? - 6/25/2010 9:07:37 PM   
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Here is something else to think about the fact that the Clevengers produced a lot more of their bottles then the Whitney glass works manufactured for Edwin Booz.It seems logical that a lot of their bottles ended up in dumps also and have been found by collectors thinking just because they were dug that they were originals.

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RE: E.G. Booz aqua cabin? - 6/25/2010 9:22:36 PM   
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Here are the pictures I posted about 2 years ago on the forum.





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RE: E.G. Booz aqua cabin? - 6/25/2010 9:23:37 PM   
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RE: E.G. Booz aqua cabin? - 6/25/2010 9:24:26 PM   
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RE: E.G. Booz aqua cabin? - 6/25/2010 9:25:26 PM   
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RE: E.G. Booz aqua cabin? - 6/26/2010 6:09:06 AM   
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Christian thats awesome!!,where did you dig those.To find one Booz in a pit is amazing to find two and in that pale of color is incredible and unheard of.
I would describe the color of your lighter bottle piece as yellowy olive light amber and green.If you look on the edges of your almost complete bottle you will see how the color is similar to your shard.Where ever the pit or dump is you dug those bottles in I would go back with a fine tooth comb and when you were done redigging andresearching the first site I would check his neighbors house because some people didnt drink aloneMaybe he was a connoisseur of Booz's whiskey and bought it by the case.Both are original also because of two tell tale signs on each bottle.The first sign on the shard is the alignment of the letters on the roof.If you dug the first bottle whole your looking at 2000.00 to 5000.00 depending on the day and auction.You put the second one up for auction and you would have been a rich man no doubt.




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RE: E.G. Booz aqua cabin? - 6/26/2010 6:34:51 AM   
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Christian I have placed your side shot of the shard next to one of my originals and a Clevenger version. I have done this just so you can see the letter alignment on each of the bottles.Also on your shard is the period after the word WHISKEY another tell tale sign of originality.The Clevenger versions lack the period.All I can say is WOW.Did you immediatley what you had found or did you have to research and then get sick. Go back and dig some more and when your finished dig it again and again.When you think your finished your not dig it again.Question for you would you be willing to donate one of the shards to the Heritage Glass museum which sits on the ground the original Whitney brothers glass works stood on.They have two original complete BOOZ bottles on display but only in the usual amber color. I can give you the address if you are interested in doing so.Thanks for taking the time to repost those pictures.The yellowy green ones are out there we just have to find them.




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RE: E.G. Booz aqua cabin? - 6/26/2010 7:04:25 AM   
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Here is my palest original version which I would say has a lot of yellow in it.




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