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EARLIEST ACL SODA BOTTLE(S) ? - 4/3/2010 3:44:37 PM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3678 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline YOU'RE INVITED ... No doubt by now many of you have already seen Dragon0421's thread regarding his/her? recent finds, one of which is the "Big Cola" that (according to TJSJHART) - (whose knowledge I highly respect) was produced in 1937. And likely you have also seen my so called list regarding ACL bottles made between 1935 and 1939. And although it wouldn't surprise me that this subject has already have been discussed here on A-B.Net numerous times in the past, thus far in my search I have been unable to find such a thread. So I would like to invite anyone who has an ACL made "during" or "before" 1935, to post a photo of it here and to tell us something about it. I expect the total number of bottles from this time period to be few, thus making this a short, but hopefully interesting thread. The reason I selected 1935 as the starting date, is because 1935 is the earliest date referred to in my trusty "Collecting Applied Color Label Soda Bottles" book, (Third Edition). Most of us have seen references to the ACL process beginning as early as 1932/33?, but I for one have never seen one that old, and have to wonder if they even exist. So here's your chance to share photos of your early-early ACLs with the rest of the world. Providing, of course, they are available for viewing. And it's not neccessary to show a photo of the actual date itself, (unless you prefer to), as we will take you word for it that it is from the date you indicate. I personally have no photo to share here, as my earliest bottle is from 1941, which doesn't qualify. Thanks a bunch, SODAPOPBOB   Post #: 1

RE: EARLIEST ACL SODA BOTTLE(S) ? - 4/3/2010 4:28:35 PM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3678 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline Just to get things started, here is a photo of the 1935 "Brownie Club" bottle from Providence, Rhode Island. Which, again, is the earliest example of an ACL bottle in my book. But if someone has this actual bottle in their collection, please share a photo of it. Mainly I'm looking for bottles which are part of individual collections, as opposed to those like this one from a book. But if nothing else presents itself within the next day or so from private collections, its okay to post anything and everything, just so long as it is from 1935 or earlier. The main emphasis here is to see photos of those early-early ACL sodas no matter what the source. Thanks again, SPB  Attachment (1) < Message edited by SODAPOPBOB -- 4/3/2010 4:35:37 PM > (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 2

RE: EARLIEST ACL SODA BOTTLE(S) ? - 4/3/2010 6:19:03 PM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3678 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline Guess who?  ...  LOL    Since this is my thread, I guess it's okay to change and/or break the so called rules at my discretion. Thus, I'm changing the start date from 1935 to 1937. The reason for this is obvious to many, as there were just not that many (if any) ACL soda bottles produced prior to 1937, not to mention 1935. The only thing I ask in this new change of rules is, (for example) if someone post a photo of a 1936/37 squat, amber brown 7up bottle, not to duplicate it with additional photos. One should suffice to illustrate the early 7ups, unless, of course, you have one that is "totally" different from the others. Again, mainly what I'm looking for here are the "non-national" brands that existed during this time period, but will allow any brand from any source (personal collection - book - old magazine ad, etc.) if you feel it will be of interest to all concerned. You be the judge.  The link below connects to an article written by Dr. J. H. Toulouse in 1939, and should be of interest to all, especially the new-comers to the ACL soda bottle collecting hobby. If you are not already familiar with the actual ACL process on soda bottles, the article includes just about everything you need to know. The photo is from the article and illustrates some early examples of ACLs, although I am not certain on the actual dates of the bottles shown, other than they are likely from a fairly early date, being as the article was written in 1939. Thanks again, and again. I hope to hear from you soon. SPB http://www.bottlebooks.com/ACL%201937/bottles_applied_color_labels.htm     Attachment (1) < Message edited by SODAPOPBOB -- 4/3/2010 6:25:45 PM > (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 3

RE: EARLIEST ACL SODA BOTTLE(S) ? - 4/3/2010 9:37:32 PM    madman Posts: 10364 Joined: 2/5/2005 Status: offline this is a great idea im game, c-mon guys ! morb? pat? td?,pete?acls? _____________________________ always looking for, Toledo Ohio, Knoxville Tn. milks pharms and sodas, (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 4

RE: EARLIEST ACL SODA BOTTLE(S) ? - 4/3/2010 9:44:26 PM    madman Posts: 10364 Joined: 2/5/2005 Status: offline heres some of my early bottles they delv into about 1942 but you wont dig these in the dump with paint Attachment (1) _____________________________ always looking for, Toledo Ohio, Knoxville Tn. milks pharms and sodas, (in reply to madman) Post #: 5

RE: EARLIEST ACL SODA BOTTLE(S) ? - 4/3/2010 9:45:11 PM    madman Posts: 10364 Joined: 2/5/2005 Status: offline 2 Attachment (1) _____________________________ always looking for, Toledo Ohio, Knoxville Tn. milks pharms and sodas, (in reply to madman) Post #: 6

RE: EARLIEST ACL SODA BOTTLE(S) ? - 4/3/2010 9:46:11 PM    madman Posts: 10364 Joined: 2/5/2005 Status: offline 3 Attachment (1) _____________________________ always looking for, Toledo Ohio, Knoxville Tn. milks pharms and sodas, (in reply to madman) Post #: 7

RE: EARLIEST ACL SODA BOTTLE(S) ? - 4/3/2010 9:47:47 PM    jskirk Posts: 840 Joined: 3/22/2010 Status: offline That Nesbitts Orange is a really nice looking bottle. Jay (in reply to madman) Post #: 8

RE: EARLIEST ACL SODA BOTTLE(S) ? - 4/3/2010 10:09:24 PM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3678 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline Fantastic ! That's what I'm talk'n about ! If you spell your name backwards, it comes out ...  "namdam"  ...  which is what I exclaimed when I saw your bottles. Good job ! Thanks a million ... SPB < Message edited by SODAPOPBOB -- 4/3/2010 10:10:08 PM > (in reply to jskirk) Post #: 9

RE: EARLIEST ACL SODA BOTTLE(S) ? - 4/3/2010 11:18:07 PM    morbious_fod   Posts: 4020 Joined: 3/4/2007 From: The backwoods of the backwoods, Virginia Status: offline This is the earliest ACL that I can actually date, and it is a 1936 Was-Cott Ginger Ale from North Tazewell, VA. Unfortunately I don't own this one, it belongs to Frank Anderson, but I have held it in my hands and took the picture of it. The acl is actually less intricate than it would later become; however, the wording and style are the same on the later bottles. With this one being so early in the process, I'm not shocked that it was originally much simpler. Being from a local bottler in the area, and it being their own brand, I'm not at all surprised they would try the new process. As you can see the white is quite dark on this one which is a common characteristic I have witnessed with these early acls. I am only going to post 1930's acls even though I have some early 1940's myself. I have seen another of these so it isn't just damaged. This is so early in the process that the little nib doesn't exist on the bottle as the later 1940's bottles do. Attachment (1) _____________________________ My website chronicling the soda bottling companies of the Southwest Virginia or Northeast Tennessee area including Bluefield, Princeton, and Rock West Virginia www.tazewell-orange.com NEW ARTICLES: Just say Mil-Kay the story of Mil-K-Botl (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 10

RE: EARLIEST ACL SODA BOTTLE(S) ? - 4/3/2010 11:20:49 PM    morbious_fod   Posts: 4020 Joined: 3/4/2007 From: The backwoods of the backwoods, Virginia Status: offline On the left is a 1938 Rums Dry from Bluefield, VA with it's 1943 counter part beside it. This is so you can see what I mean about the dingier/darker colors of these early acls.  Attachment (1) _____________________________ My website chronicling the soda bottling companies of the Southwest Virginia or Northeast Tennessee area including Bluefield, Princeton, and Rock West Virginia www.tazewell-orange.com NEW ARTICLES: Just say Mil-Kay the story of Mil-K-Botl (in reply to morbious_fod) Post #: 11

RE: EARLIEST ACL SODA BOTTLE(S) ? - 4/3/2010 11:22:05 PM    morbious_fod   Posts: 4020 Joined: 3/4/2007 From: The backwoods of the backwoods, Virginia Status: offline This has to be a late 1930's Royal Crown from Appalachia, Va. Another of Frank's bottles; however, there is no definate date on this one so it's just an educated guess. Attachment (1) _____________________________ My website chronicling the soda bottling companies of the Southwest Virginia or Northeast Tennessee area including Bluefield, Princeton, and Rock West Virginia www.tazewell-orange.com NEW ARTICLES: Just say Mil-Kay the story of Mil-K-Botl (in reply to morbious_fod) Post #: 12

RE: EARLIEST ACL SODA BOTTLE(S) ? - 4/3/2010 11:25:22 PM    morbious_fod   Posts: 4020 Joined: 3/4/2007 From: The backwoods of the backwoods, Virginia Status: offline Quite possibly very early this Pop Kola is embossed L. L. Rice on the bottom. Lawrence L. Rice had bottling plants in Roanoke, VA, Johnson City, Tenn. (1940's), and Jacksonville, Florida. This bottle could have come from the first and last bottler as the Johnson City didn't open until 1941. It has a very dark appearance, which would indicate that it is an early acl. Attachment (1) _____________________________ My website chronicling the soda bottling companies of the Southwest Virginia or Northeast Tennessee area including Bluefield, Princeton, and Rock West Virginia www.tazewell-orange.com NEW ARTICLES: Just say Mil-Kay the story of Mil-K-Botl (in reply to morbious_fod) Post #: 13

RE: EARLIEST ACL SODA BOTTLE(S) ? - 4/3/2010 11:26:42 PM    madman Posts: 10364 Joined: 2/5/2005 Status: offline that rc is sweet! _____________________________ always looking for, Toledo Ohio, Knoxville Tn. milks pharms and sodas, (in reply to morbious_fod) Post #: 14

RE: EARLIEST ACL SODA BOTTLE(S) ? - 4/3/2010 11:28:59 PM    morbious_fod   Posts: 4020 Joined: 3/4/2007 From: The backwoods of the backwoods, Virginia Status: offline I know that this particular bottle is at least the late 1930's. The acl is quite weak on these and very few have survived, unfortunately I no longer own this example. The bottling company which fits the time period of this bottle in Johnson City was the Seven-up bottling company of Johnson City which is embossed on the bottom. The company changed hands around 1940, and I am fairly sure this predates the selling. Yet again this bottle has no date. Attachment (1) _____________________________ My website chronicling the soda bottling companies of the Southwest Virginia or Northeast Tennessee area including Bluefield, Princeton, and Rock West Virginia www.tazewell-orange.com NEW ARTICLES: Just say Mil-Kay the story of Mil-K-Botl (in reply to morbious_fod) Post #: 15

RE: EARLIEST ACL SODA BOTTLE(S) ? - 4/3/2010 11:31:12 PM    morbious_fod   Posts: 4020 Joined: 3/4/2007 From: The backwoods of the backwoods, Virginia Status: offline A 1939 Lucky Giant Cola bottle from Tazewell, VA, the same company which experimented with the Was-Cott bottle posted earlier, appearenlty liked the result and converted all of their brands to acl by 1940. This is another of Franks, who outbid me on this one.  Attachment (1) _____________________________ My website chronicling the soda bottling companies of the Southwest Virginia or Northeast Tennessee area including Bluefield, Princeton, and Rock West Virginia www.tazewell-orange.com NEW ARTICLES: Just say Mil-Kay the story of Mil-K-Botl (in reply to morbious_fod) Post #: 16

RE: EARLIEST ACL SODA BOTTLE(S) ? - 4/3/2010 11:34:25 PM    morbious_fod   Posts: 4020 Joined: 3/4/2007 From: The backwoods of the backwoods, Virginia Status: offline According to my research the Jumbo Cola bottle was the first production acl. It was one of the double barrel bottles from the Seminole Flavor Company of Chattanooga, Tenn, soon to be the Double Cola company.  _____________________________ My website chronicling the soda bottling companies of the Southwest Virginia or Northeast Tennessee area including Bluefield, Princeton, and Rock West Virginia www.tazewell-orange.com NEW ARTICLES: Just say Mil-Kay the story of Mil-K-Botl (in reply to morbious_fod) Post #: 17

RE: EARLIEST ACL SODA BOTTLE(S) ? - 4/4/2010 12:32:52 AM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3678 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline Another Wow! All of a sudden I feel like we are turning back the pages of time. Seriously! The specifics to your bottles is stuff that isn't easily come by. I know! It takes a lot of digging to find, comprehend, and remember that kind of stuff. And I'm talking about digging with both a shovel as well as a keyboard. The "WAS-COTT" bottle isn't even in the book. It must be beyond ER; "Extremely Rare."  All of them are great bottles, and I will be chewing over and digesting on them for the next week! Double-Cola good stuff! Thanks for bringing the past forward ... Bob small ps ... I "think" I may have one or more of Morb's bottles. There are a bunch of dust collector's in the back rows on my shelves that I'm going to take a closer look at tomorrow. Hmmm? We'll see!     (in reply to morbious_fod) Post #: 18

RE: EARLIEST ACL SODA BOTTLE(S) ? - 4/4/2010 2:03:23 AM    morbious_fod   Posts: 4020 Joined: 3/4/2007 From: The backwoods of the backwoods, Virginia Status: offline While the 1936 Was-cott may indeed be extremely rare due to the age and weakness of the acl the more modern bottles aren't all that rare. I have two of them myself. The ACL book is a decent source; however, a complete guide it is not. It doesn't even have the Banner Beverages bottle I posted in my "new to the Morbious Fod collection" or many others that I have found over time. A truly all inclusive book would be huge, and would rely heavily upon the collection pictures of many collectors, and I still doubt we would have them all, but it's a good guide. _____________________________ My website chronicling the soda bottling companies of the Southwest Virginia or Northeast Tennessee area including Bluefield, Princeton, and Rock West Virginia www.tazewell-orange.com NEW ARTICLES: Just say Mil-Kay the story of Mil-K-Botl (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 19

RE: EARLIEST ACL SODA BOTTLE(S) ? - 4/4/2010 8:06:39 AM    Dragon0421   Posts: 1000 Joined: 12/11/2007 From: east tn Status: offline This is one of my tenn. bottles it is from nashville i think it is from the late 30s Attachment (1) (in reply to morbious_fod) Post #: 20

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