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EG BOOZ Repo - 8/19/2010 2:38:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is an interesting repo, I have not seen any like it. It is obviously a repo on account of the "OCS" alignment and the "WHISKEY" being on one plain and the "k" font, though it looks like there is a period indention after the "Y". "BOO" is partially cover by the neck. The neck, top and base are what seem the most unusual to me. 




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RE: EG BOOZ Repo - 8/19/2010 2:40:12 PM   
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RE: EG BOOZ Repo - 8/19/2010 2:42:39 PM   
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RE: EG BOOZ Repo - 8/19/2010 2:45:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is some observations I took on it.

Height of the Bottle: 7 1/32 inches
Width of Bottle: 4 3/32 inches
Depth of Bottle: 2 29/32 inches
Depth of Bottle at roof line: 3 1/16 inches
Length of neck on 1840 side 1 19/32 inches
Length of neck on EG side 1 ¾ inches
Bottle has no sloped collar, collar line is 5/8 down from the lip is very smooth and only a slight dip, no edge.
Base of Bottle has an open pontil ring center of depression and what looks to be a secondary open pontil that is smooth off center @ NE, windows facing up. The depression is 2 1/16 inches across approximately 3/16 deep.
You can see a slight mold lines running off center of the corner (one corner the line starts from is the EG/back of the bottle, the other corner is 120 Walnut/front of the bottle), off center to the side of the bottle, toward the center of the pontil lining up with one another from across the depression, but not visible in the depression.
Roof Line: 4 inches by 2 7/16 from the middle of the shoulder n the diagonal
Roof Embossing: 5 shingle rows, narrower shingles top and bottom row on EG side, 1840 side is more symmetrical on shingle widths but still varies shingle to shingle row to row.
Font Size on Inscription: 11/32 inches on EG roof side, all rows                                        
1/2 inch on 1840 side                                         
3/8 inch on EG and 120 Walnut vertical sides                                               
EG 3 rows                                               
120 Walnut 2 rows                       
120 Walnut: ST has two dots under it                       
EG: Whiskey has a slight concave depression of a (.) ¼ to the right of the base of the Y.  
Back side Of Bottle (1840 side) is slightly concave no embossing
Front  side of bottle (EG Side)is slightly concave with emossing:            

Two upper windows 2 15/16 from the bottom of bottle to bottom of windows, windows 4 pane with a square diamond cross section 5/8 inch (horizontal)x 1/2 inch (vertical) both windows. Windows 1 7/32 apart, left window 11/16 from the left side, right window 11/16 from the right side. Left window 3 3/32 from bottom, right window 3 3/32 from bottom. Arch top door on the left, base of door 3/8 from bottom, top of arch 2 ¾ inch from the bottom, door height 2 3/8 inch, door width 1 3/32, left side of door 7/16 from left side of bottle, right side of door 2 5/16 from the right side of bottle. Door has a vertical center line with a horizontal “S” 1 9/16 inch up from the bottom of the bottle, 1 1/4 from bottom of the door, 1 3/32 to top of the arch, all from center of cross section of horizontal “S” and the vertical line. Lower left hand window is larger that the two upper windows, 4 pane window 15/16 (horizontal) x 1 1/16 (vertical), pane cross section does not have a prominent diamond center like two upper windows, right side of window 5/8 from right side of bottle, left side of window 2 7/16 from left side of bottle, bottom of window is 1 1/32 from bottom of bottle, top of window is 2 5/32 from bottom of bottle, lower window and door 23/32 apart from each other.

(Glass appears to be irradiated, corners of bottle have a pale green color cast by a 15 lumen LED on a white back drop)

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RE: EG BOOZ Repo - 8/19/2010 3:46:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		could the center pontil mark be something that was made in the mold to look like a rough scar? Then that off center mark could be a suction scar?
Hard to tell from the photo.

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RE: EG BOOZ Repo - 8/19/2010 5:07:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Could be, I dont really know enough to comment. The scar is sharp, the one off center is nice and smooth with the centered scar running over it. here is another pic from a different angle. Any guesses on the maker?




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RE: EG BOOZ Repo - 8/19/2010 11:25:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bushrodwoodworks...welcome to the Forum. This cabin looks like those made by Dell Glass Works...I'll check my book and verify.
Am curious as to this irradiating and why someone took the effort to do same ? Seems to me an aqua example would pass muster more readily than deep amethyst.

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RE: EG BOOZ Repo - 8/20/2010 12:17:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe there is a factor that is causing that color of light to come off the corners and edges that I am not aware of. Or perhaps someone was trying to deliberately mark it because they got burned on it? Can glass become irradiated by just sitting in direct sunlight for long periods of time or does it take some other special treatment to do? Thanks for the info whiskeyman. Ever tried Redbreast Irish Whiskey? Is good stuff for the price compared to other 'high ends' such as Middleton.


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RE: EG BOOZ Repo - 8/20/2010 1:43:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		It does appear to be GVII-10 in Haunton's book, and was made by Dell Glass Co circa 1942-48 ?

In order for a bottle to turn amethyst upon irradiating , or exposure to sunlight/UV light - the glass mix has to contain manganese, which causes otherwise "window glass aqua" glass to become colorless....the depth of the amethyst coloration depends upon the quantity of manganese in the glass mix.
An aqua bottle wouldn't become amethyst if irradiated...not sure what color would occur - I have seen what once was an blue Ball jar irradiated and the glass had an odd muddy-colored appearence.

Dell made these Booz cabins in amethyst, azure blue, cobalt blue and green. The lip type is called a "spill-over."
They had a circular depression in the center...and the pontil was centered within this depression....but I have no idea why yours has the pontil off center. Book does note the diagonal mold seams on the base are about 1/2" inside the corner.

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RE: EG BOOZ Repo - 8/20/2010 8:22:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would think that bottle was purple when it was made.

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RE: EG BOOZ Repo - 8/20/2010 3:30:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: whiskeyman
An aqua bottle wouldn't become amethyst if irradiated...not sure what color would occur - I have seen what once was an blue Ball jar irradiated and the glass had an odd muddy-colored appearence.


Maybe the thin glass of a jar or bottle reacts differently, but we have some documented experiments where an aqua insulator has been changed to purple through irradiation. 

Article (Note the section # 3 about "Radiation Exposure (Producing Fantasy and Imitation Colors)")

http://www.nia.org/altered/index.htm

And before/after photos here

http://www.nia.org/altered/Pictures_compare.htm

I know very, very little about Booz bottles, but I hope that information's helpful. 

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RE: EG BOOZ Repo - 8/20/2010 4:37:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		aqua glass containing manganese can definately be irradated to make it turn purple.
I doubt that booz was irradiated.

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RE: EG BOOZ Repo - 8/23/2010 2:50:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		1st...The OP notes:
Quote:" (Glass appears to be irradiated, corners of bottle have a pale green color cast by a 15 lumen LED on a white back drop)."Unquote.
I further queried about the reason for the above pale green color. I note no one else has addressed this issue.
And, I never said this Booz was irradiated. I did say it was made by Dell and amethyst was one of the colors it was made in.

2nd ...can anyone explain to me why aqua glass would contain manganese?
Manganese was added as a de-colorizer...ie... to make glass colorless, but US glass makers quit using it in 1916....or advent of WW I with Germany - who was our main supplier.

3rd...the OP asked a question about irradiating glass and sunlight ,etc., causing color changes. I answered his question about same, but perhaps I could have been more specific or clearer in my reply ??

4th...The below link shows an aqua McLaughlin insulator changed to a "muddy- looking coloration"...as I had noted I have seen occur with Ball jars.
It also shows an aqua Postal insulator changed to purple/amethyst, but compare this with the Whitahall Tatum on the left and you will plainly see it is not a TRUE amethyst/purple but a weak (watered-down) imitation. JMHO...

http://www.nia.org/altered/Pictures_compare.htm


Thanks a lot BillinMo for those links.

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RE: EG BOOZ Repo - 8/23/2010 6:24:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Saw my first E.G. Booze repo yesterday.  We went to Kellers flea market and there was a nice green one.  I don't remember the maker that was embossed on the base.  The embossing overall of the cabin was kinda weak.  The guy had plenty of flask repos as well.  All were around $20 so he wasn't trying to pull anything...he knew what they were.

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RE: EG BOOZ Repo - 8/23/2010 1:44:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ah, gotcha.  I missed that you were referring to a specific shade of amethyst and not just a purplish coloration.  Sorry 'bout that.   

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RE: EG BOOZ Repo - 8/24/2010 10:40:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GuntherHess

I would think that bottle was purple when it was made.



YEP I AGREE. FUNKY COOL REPRO!! JAMIE

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RE: EG BOOZ Repo - 9/3/2010 7:47:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Whiskeyman,
thank you for the info. what book did you look up the Dell Glass company info. Do you have a book list posted anywhere?

For the rest of you I am selling that repo: http://cgi.ebay.com/Old-Cabin-Whiskey-Bottle-E-G-Booz-/260656552286?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cb057595e

I should be head up to Missouri this fall to collect my fathers things from various locations and look forward to sharing some of his pieces and learning about them.

Thank you again whiskey


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RE: EG BOOZ Repo - 10/28/2010 10:59:20 PM   
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The Dell information can be found in the book Tippecanoe and E. G. Booz! by Thomas C. Haunton. (Psst. That's me.)

I've gathered info on Dell over the 24 years I've been working on my book about Clevenger Brothers, since they shared quite a few molds and employees. Dell will be covered in Volume 2 of my work on 20th century South Jersey glass. I just finished Volume 1, which is about Clevenger Brothers - 400+ pages and 800+ photos worth of material. I'm presently publisher hunting, so hopefully it will be released soon.

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RE: EG BOOZ Repo - 10/29/2010 12:17:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		It sounds like a great book Tom but probably a little to comprehensive for me.
Weren't you set up in Keene a few years ago with a real or fake test? I had no idea of all those other NJ makers of more modern times. Corrini, Macho? et al
One book consisting of more makers but less comprehensive is more to my personal needs. Price is also a major consideration. I'd guess that publishing something like that won't be cheap and I'm about broke.
This isn't a criticism, just my personal likes.
I'll bet you were at the Clevenger auction. How'd you make out if you were?



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RE: EG BOOZ Repo - 10/29/2010 6:20:12 AM   
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Yes, the Clevenger book will be a comprehensive one. Considering they were in business for 70 years and seemed to reinvent themselves every 15-20 years, it's a book that needed to be written. Between free-blown, mold-blown, and commemorative ware, they made hundreds of different pieces, many of which are being sold on Ebay and other places as old. Of course, in 20 years, many of these pieces will become antiques - 100 years old.

I did have the Real Vs. Repro test at Keene a few years ago. I have to "reload" on my older pieces to do another of those. Perhaps I can do that for when I start my new column for Antique Bottle and Glass Collector Magazine in a few months. I really missed doing the Keene show this year, but had to work.

Volume 2 of my 20th century South Jersey glass book will be as comprehensive about the other makers as the Clevenger book. For companies such as Dell, Beacon, Marks, and Downer, there will be good size chapters since they all made a lot of different pieces, although no where as much stuff as Clevengers. That book is at least a couple of years off - it's about 30% done.

Hopefully when the Clevenger book comes out, you'll find it worth the money.

I was at the Clevenger auction and did buy quite a bit of stuff. I tried to get examples of all the types of tools and molds and think I did pretty well, as you'll be able to see in the book. I also bought all the Clevenger paper there - lots of catalogs, advertisements, and photos which proved the real treasure.

Good luck!

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