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EPOXY FAKE EMBOSSING - 9/26/2007 4:12:10 PM    whiskeyman Posts: 2012 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline Haven't seen this covered yet on the Forum, so figgered I'd bring it up. Back a few years ago, some  knowledgeable Western collectors were duped into buying altered pumpkinseed flasks.The alteration was so well done as to be nearly indetectable. The perpetrator(s) used mainly plain flasks with the embossed slug plate circles. They made a (possibly) rubber  mold from an original embossed flask. They poured clear epoxy-resin in the mold and after it set, they glued it in place within the slug plate circle.Collectors paid hundreds of dollars for these fakes, believing them to be authentic.I don't know who discovered that the flasks were an alteration, but there were quite a few irate collectors. I believe most, if not all , got their money back after confronting the perpetrator(s).The flask below is an example a friend of mine made a few years ago. I imagine he is more adept at it now and that perhaps others have figured out how to do this as well. The flask pictured is comprised of  resin letters on an ABM Warranted Flask , and the letters were later painted with white enamel, a common practice, which also serves to hide their composition - non glass. The original of this flask is a "Store Bottle"....a BIM rectangular shape and the last one sold for over $125.00.Any novice collector would be fooled by this example. More knowing collectors would not.Upon close scrutiny , the edge of the resin can be seen, as there was no slug plate area to enclose it within and thus hide the edge. Additionally- as I stated above - the bottle shape & age itself is wrong.So, before you purchase that rare bottle for a cheap price...take time to examine it closely....if it's too good to be true - it usually is.Caveat emptor..."let the buyer beware" Attachment (1) _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc....and... Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com Post #: 1

RE: EPOXY FAKE EMBOSSING - 9/26/2007 9:19:23 PM    BRIAN S.   Posts: 1468 Joined: 5/27/2003 From: The Mountains of Tennessee Status: offline I have heard of this being done before Charlie . And painting the letters with white paint would also hide the epoxy from being picked up by using a black light .  Thanks for sharing the info ! _____________________________ Tennessee Hillbilly Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most ! Always looking to buy or trade for Drake's Plantation Bitters and Drake's go-withs . And Tennessee Bottles and Jugs ! (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 2

RE: EPOXY FAKE EMBOSSING - 9/26/2007 10:57:45 PM    capsoda Posts: 7510 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Haven't come across that yet. I have seen a few I. T.  (Indian Terretory) hutches that were later hutches with the I.T. added. They were done a while back and the buyer watched the added letters yellow. He bought them at a flea market out west and thought they were a great deal. Some of the resins that are made today don't yellow so like you said Charlie, Caveat Emptor. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 3

RE: EPOXY FAKE EMBOSSING - 9/27/2007 12:06:46 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 4730 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: online The big scam with coins on ebay now is to cut mint marks off common coins and fuse them onto other coins to make valuable looking ones. Sort of the same scam as adding I.T. to a hutch. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 4

RE: EPOXY FAKE EMBOSSING - 9/27/2007 4:31:03 PM    whiskeyman Posts: 2012 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline I recall another such alteration that used to be done, and probably still is:Grinding the Fed Law Forbids off of whiskey bottles/flasks , polishing the ground area, and passing them off as Pre-Prohibition. _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc....and... Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 5

RE: EPOXY FAKE EMBOSSING - 9/27/2007 8:01:38 PM    BRIAN S.   Posts: 1468 Joined: 5/27/2003 From: The Mountains of Tennessee Status: offline I saw a nice Strawberry puce Drake's that someone ground and polished the date off of ..... what a shame .... they ruined a mint bottle ! I don't know what they had in mind for it . < Message edited by BRIAN S. -- 9/27/2007 8:04:37 PM > _____________________________ Tennessee Hillbilly Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most ! Always looking to buy or trade for Drake's Plantation Bitters and Drake's go-withs . And Tennessee Bottles and Jugs ! (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 6

RE: EPOXY FAKE EMBOSSING - 9/30/2007 3:20:32 PM    whiskeyman Posts: 2012 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline BRIAN...does seem most odd. Isn't there a Drakes variant sans date that has more value??...seems I recall something like that. _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc....and... Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to BRIAN S.) Post #: 7

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