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Eagle, Stag, Coffin, hay flask! Figgered it out! - 12/6/2006 10:53:21 PM    bikegoon Posts: 671 Joined: 10/2/2006 From: Lebanon, Ohio Status: offline Based on what you see here, do you guys think she is real? I understand they are scarce, just wanting some opinons before I buy it! < Message edited by bikegoon -- 12/6/2006 11:35:15 PM > _____________________________ A little of everything at http://www.bottlecache.com Post #: 1

RE: Eagle, Stag, Coffin, hay flask! - 12/6/2006 11:02:07 PM    bikegoon Posts: 671 Joined: 10/2/2006 From: Lebanon, Ohio Status: offline WHAT THE!! Just after my first post I found something not cool at all Here is alittle history and then what I FOUND A FEW MINUTES AGO I got an email from a guy responding to my yahoo classifed looking  to sell some bottles to me, says he knows nothing about them, the pic above is the pic he sent, however while researching this flask I came across this website: http://www.oldsouthjerseyglass.com/flasks.htm With THE EXACT same picture, trees and all.........I smell a rat... < Message edited by bikegoon -- 12/6/2006 11:03:54 PM > _____________________________ A little of everything at http://www.bottlecache.com (in reply to bikegoon) Post #: 2

RE: Eagle, Stag, Coffin, hay flask! - 12/6/2006 11:04:13 PM    bikegoon Posts: 671 Joined: 10/2/2006 From: Lebanon, Ohio Status: offline He was offering me his whole collection for a few hundred dollars, had amythest warranted flasks, duffys, suncrest bottles and this flask......... _____________________________ A little of everything at http://www.bottlecache.com (in reply to bikegoon) Post #: 3

RE: Eagle, Stag, Coffin, hay flask! - 12/6/2006 11:08:36 PM    digger mcdirt   Posts: 911 Joined: 8/8/2005 Status: offline Better watch out. Don't give out any info for sure all kinds of scams out there especially this time of year. If a deal sounds too good to be true it always is there is a catch. _____________________________ McDirt (in reply to bikegoon) Post #: 4

RE: Eagle, Stag, Coffin, hay flask! - 12/6/2006 11:11:27 PM    bikegoon Posts: 671 Joined: 10/2/2006 From: Lebanon, Ohio Status: offline Good thing I did some homework on it! I will post some more pics of what he offered, just in case some else gets him. I wont post his email addy unless its ok. I replied to him why he was offering this nice collection for $200.00 when that other fellas website is selling the flask for $525.00..... Buyer beware! lol _____________________________ A little of everything at http://www.bottlecache.com (in reply to digger mcdirt) Post #: 5

RE: Eagle, Stag, Coffin, hay flask! - 12/6/2006 11:14:37 PM    bikegoon Posts: 671 Joined: 10/2/2006 From: Lebanon, Ohio Status: offline prev deleted < Message edited by bikegoon -- 12/6/2006 11:35:48 PM > _____________________________ A little of everything at http://www.bottlecache.com (in reply to bikegoon) Post #: 6

RE: Eagle, Stag, Coffin, hay flask! - 12/6/2006 11:19:11 PM    bikegoon Posts: 671 Joined: 10/2/2006 From: Lebanon, Ohio Status: offline These were other bottles in this "Collection" Until he can prove otherwise, these will stay up as a warning to any buyer out there that might run across these! _____________________________ A little of everything at http://www.bottlecache.com (in reply to bikegoon) Post #: 7

RE: Eagle, Stag, Coffin, hay flask! - 12/6/2006 11:23:20 PM    capsoda Posts: 7930 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Hey Harold, Send me 200 bucks and I won't send you anything. Hey man, same deal except i tpld you and didn't show you someone eleses pictures of their nice bottles. Sounds really flakey. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to bikegoon) Post #: 8

RE: Eagle, Stag, Coffin, hay flask! - 12/6/2006 11:26:04 PM    bikegoon Posts: 671 Joined: 10/2/2006 From: Lebanon, Ohio Status: offline Paypal SENT! Hehe, the one red flag was the pics themselves, bottle collectors seem to have a nack for taking pics of bottles, they understand how to capture embossing, colors and for a guy that knew nothing about bottles....some of those pics were nice.... _____________________________ A little of everything at http://www.bottlecache.com (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 9

RE: Eagle, Stag, Coffin, hay flask! - 12/6/2006 11:38:15 PM    bikegoon Posts: 671 Joined: 10/2/2006 From: Lebanon, Ohio Status: offline Somethings are falling into place, I have contact for the owner of Jersey glass and all is checking out, bottle was a consignment. So far after this skirmish, the seller is able to prove that these are his...so far..mind you... _____________________________ A little of everything at http://www.bottlecache.com (in reply to bikegoon) Post #: 10

RE: Eagle, Stag, Coffin, hay flask! - 12/7/2006 12:56:07 AM    zanes_antiques Posts: 2027 Joined: 9/3/2006 From: Steubenville, Ohio Status: offline Another scam to watch for is getting bogus money orders or checks for way more than you ask for something on your site and then they tell you that they sent too much and want reimbursed. The only problem is some people will send out the reimbursement before the buyers check clears, along with the merchandise which they get as the bonus. This has happened to me but for some reason I double checked the money orders and checks before depositing or sending the item. It happen 3 times with the same item on an antiques consignment site. Nothin you can do to them either because most of them are over seas. Beware be very aware!! _____________________________ I buy, sell, barter, and beg....Zane (in reply to bikegoon) Post #: 11

RE: Eagle, Stag, Coffin, hay flask! - 12/7/2006 2:14:22 AM    richf   Posts: 379 Joined: 8/27/2006 From: Weatherly, PA Status: offline I wouldn't buy it ... too many repros out there that look the same. That's the problem with these flasks ... the newer ones were blown in the original molds. Rich (in reply to zanes_antiques) Post #: 12

RE: Eagle, Stag, Coffin, hay flask! - 12/7/2006 7:23:09 AM    bikegoon Posts: 671 Joined: 10/2/2006 From: Lebanon, Ohio Status: offline Thanks for the tips guys! I am staying clear of this one for sure. _____________________________ A little of everything at http://www.bottlecache.com (in reply to richf) Post #: 13

RE: Eagle, Stag, Coffin, hay flask! - 12/7/2006 10:41:44 AM    kungfufighter   Posts: 175 Joined: 2/18/2005 Status: offline There is no evidence of reproduction flasks having been blown in original molds.  Flask reproductions are actually quite simple to spot if the buyer is willing to do a bit of homework.  The McKearins' "Antique Bottles, Flasks and their Ancestry" includes more than 500 line drawings carefully detailing flasks blown from 1815 to the turn of the Twentieth Century.  There is also a comprehensive discussions of the known reproduction flasks.  Armed with this knowledge, the prospective flask buyer is highly unlikely to mistake a reproduction for an original.  The chances of making such an error are lessened even further if one takes the time to frequent bottle shows and handle flasks known to be period as well as those known to be modern reproductions.  The differences in weight, color, design, etc. are readily apparent upon comparison.  Simply stated, by reviewing the McKearin text and attending bottle shows there is little chance for the collector to be "fooled" by modern flask reproductions.  The collecting of figured flasks is an enjoyable and satisfying hobby that does need to intimidate those folks willing to take the necessary steps to educate themselves. (in reply to richf) Post #: 14

RE: Eagle, Stag, Coffin, hay flask! - 12/7/2006 11:17:35 AM    richf   Posts: 379 Joined: 8/27/2006 From: Weatherly, PA Status: offline I beg to differ on that one ... the Clevenger Brothers, of Clayton, NJ, blew many early flasks in the original molds, especially the Jenny Lind. Their scroll flasks were made blown in original molds and it's almost impossible to tell the newer from the old! Rich (in reply to kungfufighter) Post #: 15

RE: Eagle, Stag, Coffin, hay flask! - 12/7/2006 12:13:36 PM    kungfufighter   Posts: 175 Joined: 2/18/2005 Status: offline Just curious as to where you find your documentation Rich. (in reply to richf) Post #: 16

RE: Eagle, Stag, Coffin, hay flask! - 12/7/2006 1:25:49 PM    richf   Posts: 379 Joined: 8/27/2006 From: Weatherly, PA Status: offline Hi Jeff, Here's a pretty good link that has the information.  http://www.antiquebottles.com/poch/15.html A lot of the Clevengers, especially the earlier ones, are so close to the original it's really hard to see the difference. I learned this the hard way years ago, with a Jenny Lind. It was a great looking bottle, the glass was "right" and the pontil really nice. Later, I was in a shop in New Jersey and saw about a dozen of the same bottles. The owner gave me the information about how they were made by the brothers in the 40s or 50s, using the old molds. Rich (in reply to kungfufighter) Post #: 17

RE: Eagle, Stag, Coffin, hay flask! - 12/7/2006 2:34:18 PM    kungfufighter   Posts: 175 Joined: 2/18/2005 Status: offline Hello again Rich.  Glenn is a good guy but on this topic he is misinformed.  McKearin presents no such evidence, nor does Ruth Webb Lee in her pioneering "Antique Fakes and Reproductions, nor does Wheaton Village Museum in their publication "Clevenger Brothers Glass Works, The Persistence of Tradition."  McKearin offers a careful detailing as to the distinctions between the "original" Jenny Lind GI-107 and the Clevenger GI-107A.  I agree that the Clevenger Jenny Lind might at first glance "look good" but it is without question made in a different mold and with a little study, easily discernable from the originals.  I make this point strongly only to encourage those folks who are interested in flask collecting to arm themselves with the proper knowledge so that they do not have to "fear" reproductions. (in reply to richf) Post #: 18

RE: Eagle, Stag, Coffin, hay flask! - 12/7/2006 2:52:33 PM    earlyglass   Posts: 366 Joined: 12/21/2004 Status: offline I understand the concerns in reference to historical flask reproductions, however, every reproduction that I have ever encountered has had a mark distinquishing it from the original. That is not to say that a reproduction could not be created from an original mold... but how many of you have seen an original historical flask mold? They are extremely rare. Historical flasks are very important pieces of early American glass. Most are well documented and have traveled through collection over the years. They have, and will continue to be, highly regarded by collectors since they have historical significance to early American history, and have excellent documentation. The key is to educate yourself, and this happens over many, many years of holding these flasks and realizing the distinquishing marks from the reproductions. Through the learning process (which seems to be a lifelong process!), always keep in mind that the bottle community is a pretty tight one... if you have questions regarding the authenticity of a piece, just ask. Just my two cents! Mike Mike (in reply to richf) Post #: 19

RE: Eagle, Stag, Coffin, hay flask! Figgered it out! - 12/7/2006 2:58:29 PM    JustGlass   Posts: 391 Joined: 7/22/2005 From: Green Mountains of Vermont Status: offline I only been collecting for about 10 years, and I have found that I have problems telling real from repro when veiwing pictures but when it comes down to holding it in person its been fairly easy to determind. I think Ive only had one or two that made me think twice but both times I was right. One that gave me a problem was a Washington bust flask , open pontil....Seems like no one knows diddly about them.....I sure as heck dont. (in reply to bikegoon) Post #: 20

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