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Early american tableware help - 7/14/2007 12:01:11 AM    JGUIS   Posts: 1695 Joined: 3/18/2006 From: New Lexington, OH Status: offline I have a saucer with a rectangle frame stamped on the back, like a picture frame.  Inside the frame is PORCELAIN over OPAQUE over ?????OTE  Below the frame and off center is what first appears to be a flower, but is actually more like 4 Vs meeting around a center point.  A pic of the stamp probably won't help, as it's hard to see while holding it.  Here it is anyway. Attachment (1) < Message edited by JGUIS -- 7/14/2007 12:25:50 AM > _____________________________ A pipe gives a wise man time to think, and gives a fool something to stick in his mouth. Post #: 1

RE: Early american tableware help - 7/14/2007 12:28:00 AM    JGUIS   Posts: 1695 Joined: 3/18/2006 From: New Lexington, OH Status: offline A little closer.  With the clear glaze filling the void of the stamp, and the rust spot, I can't make out the letters.  4th from the last letter in the last word looks like a C or a G. Attachment (1) _____________________________ A pipe gives a wise man time to think, and gives a fool something to stick in his mouth. (in reply to JGUIS) Post #: 2

RE: Early american tableware help - 7/14/2007 12:29:09 AM    JGUIS   Posts: 1695 Joined: 3/18/2006 From: New Lexington, OH Status: offline I'm assuming that this is the actual makers mark. Attachment (1) _____________________________ A pipe gives a wise man time to think, and gives a fool something to stick in his mouth. (in reply to JGUIS) Post #: 3

RE: Early american tableware help - 7/14/2007 12:30:15 AM    JGUIS   Posts: 1695 Joined: 3/18/2006 From: New Lexington, OH Status: offline I tried zooming it, it actually looks better in this one. Attachment (1) _____________________________ A pipe gives a wise man time to think, and gives a fool something to stick in his mouth. (in reply to JGUIS) Post #: 4

RE: Early american tableware help - 7/14/2007 12:31:07 AM    JGUIS   Posts: 1695 Joined: 3/18/2006 From: New Lexington, OH Status: offline Here's the inside detail. Attachment (1) _____________________________ A pipe gives a wise man time to think, and gives a fool something to stick in his mouth. (in reply to JGUIS) Post #: 5

RE: Early american tableware help - 7/14/2007 12:34:05 AM    JGUIS   Posts: 1695 Joined: 3/18/2006 From: New Lexington, OH Status: offline The stuff it was with was 1840s-1860s, unless it fell in from the 70s-80s stuff.(which I don't think it did)  Here's another pic.  No damage at all other than the stains.  I've tried bleach and oxalic, with no results as of yet. Attachment (1) _____________________________ A pipe gives a wise man time to think, and gives a fool something to stick in his mouth. (in reply to JGUIS) Post #: 6

RE: Early american tableware help - 7/14/2007 10:23:09 PM    appliedlips Posts: 1523 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline    Could it be a plate?I think it is white,and it looks like it could be an old one.I seen you weren't getting any help so I thought I would offer what I know which isn't much. (in reply to JGUIS) Post #: 7

RE: Early american tableware help - 7/15/2007 12:06:35 PM    Nawakwa   Posts: 67 Joined: 6/1/2007 Status: offline This is a piece of what is known as Iron Stone, it was popular for many years. This china is very heavy, which made it very durable, always undecorated but often made in patterns. Iron stone was made by many factories both here and over seas, lots of written material to fill in the blanks that would take too long a post here. I'll look up the manf. later and see if i can get a hit on it for you. (in reply to JGUIS) Post #: 8

RE: Early american tableware help - 7/15/2007 7:22:36 PM    zanes_antiques Posts: 2016 Joined: 9/3/2006 From: Steubenville, Ohio Status: offline Looks like a "cup-plate". They would pour tea into it to let it cool down. _____________________________ I buy, sell, barter, and beg....Zane (in reply to Nawakwa) Post #: 9

RE: Early american tableware help - 7/27/2007 10:01:49 PM    tncgal Posts: 255 Joined: 8/10/2005 From: east TN Status: offline PORCELAIN OPAQUE T. & R. BOOTE It's ironstone from around 1850-1880's, as this style was made popular about 1851. Clearer picture of the mark. Use peroxide from the beauty supply store (40%) to clean any ceramic items, never-never-never bleach or anything that contains bleach, as it will eventually break down and dissolve the clay content.  Soak for one to three weeks in a covered container and it will look much better.  :-) < Message edited by tncgal -- 7/27/2007 10:26:40 PM > _____________________________ ~ tncgal ~ (in reply to zanes_antiques) Post #: 10

RE: Early american tableware help - 7/27/2007 10:16:01 PM    RICKJJ59W Posts: 3223 Joined: 3/8/2007 From: Lehigh Valley US of A Status: offline                                                                          Iron stone _____________________________ My Blog.Dig story's published in Antique Bottle& Glass Collector. New story added 9/08 http://www.myspace.com/bottlediggerr Digs in action. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pitpirate/ (in reply to JGUIS) Post #: 11

RE: Early american tableware help - 7/30/2007 9:33:37 AM    PhilaBottles Posts: 1003 Joined: 9/25/2005 From: philad.A Status: offline looks like an ironstone saucer to me. (in reply to RICKJJ59W) Post #: 12

RE: Early american tableware help - 7/30/2007 5:34:19 PM    zanes_antiques Posts: 2016 Joined: 9/3/2006 From: Steubenville, Ohio Status: offline Cup Plates are the predecessors to Saucers. They were pretty much gone by the Late Victorian Era. _____________________________ I buy, sell, barter, and beg....Zane (in reply to PhilaBottles) Post #: 13

RE: Early american tableware help - 7/30/2007 6:50:29 PM    PhilaBottles Posts: 1003 Joined: 9/25/2005 From: philad.A Status: offline interesting. (in reply to zanes_antiques) Post #: 14

RE: Early american tableware help - 8/1/2007 1:30:30 PM    JGUIS   Posts: 1695 Joined: 3/18/2006 From: New Lexington, OH Status: offline Thanks TNCgal, that's right on the money.  And I will ask a beautician friend of mine for the peroxide stuff.  I'd love to display this thing, since there's no damage except the stain.  _____________________________ A pipe gives a wise man time to think, and gives a fool something to stick in his mouth. (in reply to PhilaBottles) Post #: 15

RE: Early american tableware help - 8/3/2007 2:46:16 AM    baltbottles   Posts: 830 Joined: 11/25/2002 From: Baltimore Maryland Status: offline Zane, I think your a bit off that is a saucer. A cup plate was used like a coster to sit your tea cup on while your tea was cooling off in the saucer. Chris _____________________________ Please visit my website at : www.geocities.com/baltbottles/index.html (in reply to JGUIS) Post #: 16

RE: Early american tableware help - 8/3/2007 10:12:28 AM    zanes_antiques Posts: 2016 Joined: 9/3/2006 From: Steubenville, Ohio Status: offline    I bought a beautiful set one time. It was a Gaudy Dutch cup plate and handleless cup. There was no saucer. I always thought the cup plate came before the saucer. Just a hypothesis of mine. It looks a bit too deep to be a saucer to me. < Message edited by zanes_antiques -- 8/3/2007 10:14:31 AM > _____________________________ I buy, sell, barter, and beg....Zane (in reply to baltbottles) Post #: 17

RE: Early american tableware help - 8/6/2007 7:16:47 PM    appliedlips Posts: 1523 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline   Cup plates were normally glass and about 1/4" the size of a saucer.Some EAPG cup plates can be very valuable.I have never heard a peice of china described as a cup plate but I am a pretty much just a bottle guy.Doug (in reply to JGUIS) Post #: 18

RE: Early american tableware help - 10/14/2007 4:34:51 PM    Dove   Posts: 115 Joined: 1/25/2007 Status: offline Boy that is one coffee stained saucer plate. I might not take it for free! (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 19

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