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Early freeblown pitcher, looking for info - 7/2/2008 9:16:38 PM    appliedlips Posts: 1712 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline      This one is definately not a mint example,but I pieced it back together for the shelf anyway.I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on its orgin or age.I would guess 1820-35 but that is just a guess.Was dug in close proximity to Zanesville,Ohio but the base looks similar to some of the South Jersey tableware pictured in American Glass.Opinions welcomed,I am lost on glass other than bottles.   It is 8 1/4" tall Attachment (1) < Message edited by appliedlips -- 7/2/2008 9:19:30 PM > _____________________________ I WOULD LIKE TO BUY OR TRADE FOR YOUR COLORED,AND OR EMBOSSED CATHEDRAL PEPPERSAUCE BOTTLES.I AM ALSO LOOKING FOR EMBOSSED MIDWESTERN ALES IN ANY COLOR. Post #: 1

RE: Early freeblown pitcher, looking for info - 7/2/2008 9:17:21 PM    appliedlips Posts: 1712 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline      Base Attachment (1) _____________________________ I WOULD LIKE TO BUY OR TRADE FOR YOUR COLORED,AND OR EMBOSSED CATHEDRAL PEPPERSAUCE BOTTLES.I AM ALSO LOOKING FOR EMBOSSED MIDWESTERN ALES IN ANY COLOR. (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 2

RE: Early freeblown pitcher, looking for info - 7/2/2008 9:17:58 PM    appliedlips Posts: 1712 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline Handle Attachment (1) _____________________________ I WOULD LIKE TO BUY OR TRADE FOR YOUR COLORED,AND OR EMBOSSED CATHEDRAL PEPPERSAUCE BOTTLES.I AM ALSO LOOKING FOR EMBOSSED MIDWESTERN ALES IN ANY COLOR. (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 3

RE: Early freeblown pitcher, looking for info - 7/2/2008 9:35:50 PM    baltbottles   Posts: 930 Joined: 11/25/2002 From: Baltimore Maryland Status: offline Doug, I'd think ohio is its most likely origin the handel looks a bit weird for Jersey in my opinion. _____________________________ Please visit my website at : www.geocities.com/baltbottles/index.html (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 4

RE: Early freeblown pitcher, looking for info - 7/2/2008 10:48:25 PM    VirginiaDigger   Posts: 301 Joined: 5/10/2005 Status: offline Nice pitcher! Looks to be West Virginia or Ohio glass, the handle is a dead give away. Its a lot of glass factorys on the WVA/Ohio boarder that still make very beauitful glass. (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 5

RE: Early freeblown pitcher, looking for info - 7/2/2008 10:56:56 PM    capsoda Posts: 7930 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: online That thing is beautiful even if it is not perfect. Great find. I have seen pitchers with simular handles but the foot is probably where you will find you answer. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to VirginiaDigger) Post #: 6

RE: Early freeblown pitcher, looking for info - 7/2/2008 10:57:08 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 5161 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline Great craftmanship on that item. Its nice to see something other than mexican blown garbage.  The form is well balanced and it looks like something that could actually be used without falling apart. < Message edited by GuntherHess -- 7/2/2008 10:58:43 PM > _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to VirginiaDigger) Post #: 7

RE: Early freeblown pitcher, looking for info - 7/2/2008 11:42:17 PM    NCdigger5 Posts: 514 Joined: 2/9/2008 Status: offline That thing is beautiful even with the cracks. Nice find! _____________________________ Dump after dump, privy after privy, diggin up treasure one bottle at a time. Ryan (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 8

RE: Early freeblown pitcher, looking for info - 7/3/2008 11:55:45 AM    downeastdigger Posts: 1409 Joined: 8/22/2005 From: Crawling through the mud and briars of Eliot Maine Status: offline That is awesome doug. Nice glue job. I'd say Jersey, just by the style of the base, but it's definitely not my expertise. What a nice piece. Would look good in a museum as is. congrats _____________________________ Bram Get busy diggin, or get busy dyin' http://www.GreatBayCatering.com (in reply to NCdigger5) Post #: 9

RE: Early freeblown pitcher, looking for info - 7/3/2008 1:20:23 PM    kungfufighter   Posts: 175 Joined: 2/18/2005 Status: offline I'm in agreement with Bram in that the piece looks very Jersey to me, C. 1840.  Clues would be the tooling around the mouth (simulating applied threading), the elongatged neck and crimped foot (Ohio tableware is more often seen with petaled feet).  Chris' point is correct - the medial ridge handle is not typical of Jersey (seen more often in Western NYS) but is certainly not unknown.  While it would be impossible to ascribe a specific glass house of origin it can be said with absolute certainty that the piece was blown in the Germanic "South Jersey tradition."  I should also note that Matt makes a very important point in noting that it appears that the piece is well balanced and ACTUALLY COULD BE USED.  Tableware of this type was not whimsical - it was a regular product of most 19th century Glass Houses and meant to be used every day.  When looking at a piece of blown glass and attempting to determine age this should always be one's first question ("Does it work?")  If not, it is almost certainly a decorative reproduction and not an authentic period piece of glass meant for utility.  In a way, much of the beauty of such an object is unintended - the form appeals to our eye because we sense grace and balance but to the glassblower this is often simply the design necessary to give an object stabilty and in turn, utility.  A great, great dig for sure!!!! _____________________________ www.jeffnholantiquebottles.com www.noordsyantiques.com (in reply to downeastdigger) Post #: 10

RE: Early freeblown pitcher, looking for info - 7/3/2008 1:27:01 PM    kungfufighter   Posts: 175 Joined: 2/18/2005 Status: offline Thought it might be useful to post links to two similar (but smaller) creamers we have sold in the past couple of years. http://www.jeffnholantiquebottles.com/webpages/ItemJNH70.html http://www.jeffnholantiquebottles.com/webpages/ItemJNH61.html Neither has the handle with the medial ridge but this technique is typically reserved for larger objects in that it would make the handle too "clunky" on a creamer.  The pontil marks, crimped feet, tooled mouth (of the first link) and general forms are all similar... _____________________________ www.jeffnholantiquebottles.com www.noordsyantiques.com (in reply to kungfufighter) Post #: 11

RE: Early freeblown pitcher, looking for info - 7/3/2008 4:11:55 PM    tigue710 Posts: 1749 Joined: 7/11/2007 From: connecticut Status: offline I woulda guessed a little later myself, but couldnt say where!  I'd lean towards New York though, except for where it was found... _____________________________ aint no bottles in there.... (in reply to kungfufighter) Post #: 12

RE: Early freeblown pitcher, looking for info - 7/3/2008 5:18:13 PM    appliedlips Posts: 1712 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline      Thanks for all the great input! I tend to agree with it being from New Jersey.As far as date,I only know it was thrown down the privy in the 1870's and it had already accumulated a ton of wear on the body and the base.That is the reason I thought it had to be fairly early. _____________________________ I WOULD LIKE TO BUY OR TRADE FOR YOUR COLORED,AND OR EMBOSSED CATHEDRAL PEPPERSAUCE BOTTLES.I AM ALSO LOOKING FOR EMBOSSED MIDWESTERN ALES IN ANY COLOR. (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 13

RE: Early freeblown pitcher, looking for info - 7/3/2008 11:57:46 PM    KentOhio   Posts: 732 Joined: 9/13/2004 Status: offline Great find. Could be New Jersey, but could also be Ohio. The Mantua and Kent factories often did that kind of decorative tooling around the top. Zanesville probably did too. (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 14

RE: Early freeblown pitcher, looking for info - 7/4/2008 2:23:36 AM    baltbottles   Posts: 930 Joined: 11/25/2002 From: Baltimore Maryland Status: offline Doug, If you ever get tired of this piece let me know I'd like to trade for it. I just really like the form. Chris _____________________________ Please visit my website at : www.geocities.com/baltbottles/index.html (in reply to KentOhio) Post #: 15

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