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Fake Watkins Tooth Powders - 3/23/2011 11:33:20 AM   
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"Wednesday, March 02, 2011
Fake Watkins tooth powder bottles discovered during collecting club's annual convention
Posted by Antique Trader Staff


WINONA, Minn. — Though members of the Watkins Collectors Club met for an expected full day of customary convention activities Aug. 21, 2010, a pall was cast over the event when it was discovered that three club members had purchased similar “faked” Watkins tooth powder bottles. The members independently purchased four bottles with two different labels.

The first buyer bought two bottles, each with a different label from a dealer specializing in advertising items in September 2009 at the The Great Geauga Racetrack Antique Show in Burton, Ohio. One bottle was amber glass and the other was clear glass. Both bottles featured blackened cords and contained a fine, white powder. The dealer reported that he had obtained them from the collection of bottles and tins amassed by a retired dentist.

A third bottle was bought January 2010 at an antique show in Punta Gordo, Fla. Its label was an exact duplicate of one of those bought in September 2009, right down to the frayed and worn marks, but affixed to a different colored glass bottle.

A fourth bottle was bought May 14, 2010, at the Springfield, Ohio, Extravaganza Show. Its label matches one of the others on yet another shape of bottle.

At the August convention, all four bottles were placed together and the experienced collectors in the club determined them to be ‘fake’ due to the following observations:
the same minor defects on one label were also on the other identical label.
the same labels were on different-colored and different-sized glass bottles
all four corks have the same black color suggestive of aging
none of the experienced collectors have ever seen bottles of this type in any almanac or print material from the company
bottle types were not consistent with the time period of the label.
At the Springfield, Ohio, Extravaganza, on Sep. 17, 2010, two of the three buyers met with the dealers to share a copy of the picture showing the four bottles along with a copy of a page from the 1913 Watkins Almanac that pictures one of the labels on a tooth powder tin, not bottle. The members noted there was a tooth powder tin for sale in a case that had the same label as one of the alleged faked bottles. The dealer reported that the tin was consigned by the retired dentist who was out of the country on a vacation. They agreed with our concerns and indicated they would consult with the retired dentist as soon as they could.

The dealer called the member back Oct. 8 to report that the retired dentist indicated he bought the bottles at a flea market somewhere in New York and that he was willing to take them back and refund the money. The issue has not yet been resolved.

The Watkins Collectors Club ask that anyone who may have bought a Watkins tooth powder bottle in the last several years to please contact them with your experience. Contact newsletter editor Marsha Watkins or call 614-873-1656." From.

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RE: Fake Watkins Tooth Powders - 3/23/2011 1:06:54 PM   
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Amazing! there is a Watkins club???
People will collect anything.

Seems like someone got hold of old labels and put them on various slicks.
The corks seem very suspicious.

The wear on the labels is a bit odd too. All the tears show white paper like they are all recent.

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RE: Fake Watkins Tooth Powders - 3/25/2011 3:06:13 AM   
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Thanks Gunth! I guess anything is possible these days.
I purchased an old pontil sauce bottle with label last year as I have dug tons of them the past few years. The label was a fake too but I guess I should have
known that.

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RE: Fake Watkins Tooth Powders - 3/25/2011 3:37:21 AM   
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did u no the tooth brush was invented in oildale other wise it would be called a teeth brush.

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RE: Fake Watkins Tooth Powders - 3/25/2011 4:18:44 AM   
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I can remember when I was a young lad , that my great Uncle sold Watkins products , always had the back seat of his old car full of it , carried a big suitcase like thing that when you opened it up, a lot or all of the products avaiable was shelved in it .

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RE: Fake Watkins Tooth Powders - 3/25/2011 8:16:11 AM   
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quote:

I purchased an old pontil sauce bottle with label last year as I have dug tons of them the past few years. The label was a fake


can you post a photo?

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RE: Fake Watkins Tooth Powders - 3/25/2011 1:20:12 PM   
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quote:

Amazing! there is a Watkins club???


That is exactly what I was thinking

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RE: Fake Watkins Tooth Powders - 3/26/2011 2:32:52 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GuntherHess

quote:

I purchased an old pontil sauce bottle with label last year as I have dug tons of them the past few years. The label was a fake


can you post a photo?


Hi Gunth
this is the guy!





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RE: Fake Watkins Tooth Powders - 3/26/2011 8:02:22 AM   
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Interesting. Would you say its a fake label or a real label on the wrong bottle?
The label doesnt seem quite as old as the bottle.
It seems like more of a wide mouth preserve bottle...not really nessisary for a fig syrup?

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RE: Fake Watkins Tooth Powders - 3/26/2011 3:11:54 PM   
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The paper looks too new and is attached quite firmly.






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RE: Fake Watkins Tooth Powders - 3/27/2011 1:26:43 AM   
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quote:

The paper looks too new and is attached quite firmly.


Hey Tony,

I don't have it in hand, nor any feel for it. Some of the labelled bottles I've handled, and some of the residual glue deposits I've encountered on dug bottles, makes me think that a brushfull of animal parts glue on a label is gonna be stuck "quite firmly."

From.

Then I found this From fleabay seller 4babyboomers, and I thought , "oh, no!" 4bb sez in the ad, "Included are 35+
Mainly 1860's Era to Mid-1900's
Antique Medicine Bottle Labels
(With some Scarce, Unique and Unusual labels included)...

And the Universal Drug & Chemical Co in Chicago, Ill
which research shows to be in business between 1900 and 1920." I don't know 4bb, and he/she seems to be an exalted "power seller" and all, but label sellers make me nervous. I don't know, though, coulda been a printer's cache.

Here's another Fleabayster.

Is glue visible from the back side? Is that a 1900-1930 bottle?


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RE: Fake Watkins Tooth Powders - 3/27/2011 4:37:50 AM   
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Thanks surf! well that proves its a fake cause the bottle is OP. I dug quite a few several years ago at that old Hostel site. Saw the labeled one and thought it would be a nice go with. The bottle is at least 40 years older then the start date of the company.

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RE: Fake Watkins Tooth Powders - 3/27/2011 8:03:32 AM   
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It appears to be a real later label attached to an early bottle.
I see that quite a bit with later bottles but not typically a bottle that early.

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RE: Fake Watkins Tooth Powders - 3/25/2012 11:12:50 PM   
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Watkins product are still sold in a lot of place .Just about every Cracker Barrel sales them .The new plastic bottles are even made to look like the old sunken panel slicks we all dig.Heres a bucket I picked up about a year ago .
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RE: Fake Watkins Tooth Powders - 3/25/2012 11:14:00 PM   
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Ash tray or match holder maybe.




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