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Finally found a bottle dump!!!! - 6/29/2009 9:27:33 PM    photolitherland   Posts: 313 Joined: 6/20/2009 From: Russellville, Arkansas Status: offline After searching the creeks and rivers around my area for 6 months and finding rarely any bottles, I finally located a bottle dump with tons of bottles dating from the late 1800s I believe. I would have missed em but there was a beer bottle sticking halfway out of the dirt along a creek. I had to do a double take because I thought I was seeing things. I got up to the bottle and realized it was a pulled top. It took me a good while to get it out since the dirt is caked from the sun but looking along a layer thats around 200 ft long, I saw tons of bottles sticking out. Medicines, beers, sodas, hutchinsons, oh my! I only had time to get the one beer or whatever it is out, but its in pretty good condition, Ill have to buff out the scratches and such. Im going back tomorrow to rape and pillage the site and I cant wait!  Can anyone id and date this bottle though? I think its from the 1870s maybe. I have yet to clean it so its still pretty dirty looking. < Message edited by photolitherland -- 6/29/2009 9:34:01 PM > _____________________________ I see a mansard roof through the trees, the ground beneath my feet, it has garbage and concrete. Post #: 1

RE: Finally found a bottle dump!!!! - 6/29/2009 9:58:02 PM    cyberdigger Posts: 12301 Joined: 11/29/2008 From: I 195 @ US 9, NJ USA Status: offline That could be an iron pontil mark, which could be as early as 1840's I think.. if that isn't just mud stuck in the base.. (in reply to photolitherland) Post #: 2

RE: Finally found a bottle dump!!!! - 6/29/2009 10:13:09 PM    photolitherland   Posts: 313 Joined: 6/20/2009 From: Russellville, Arkansas Status: offline 1840's, I dont know. The first people to really settle here came in the 1830s and the town really didnt get established until the railroad came through in the late 1870's. Thanks for the info. Ill go back tomorrow and take photos of the site and of some of the bottles if I can get anymore out of the hardened sediment. Oh and yeah, thats just mud on the bottom. _____________________________ I see a mansard roof through the trees, the ground beneath my feet, it has garbage and concrete. (in reply to cyberdigger) Post #: 3

RE: Finally found a bottle dump!!!! - 6/29/2009 10:20:24 PM    cyberdigger Posts: 12301 Joined: 11/29/2008 From: I 195 @ US 9, NJ USA Status: offline Well, anyway i think it's an IP.. the bottle is a wine bottle, and that design was pretty standard from the mid1800s until.. today. If the dump (BTW congrats!!) illustrates a more specific time period, a wine bottle can easily be 20 years older than the rest.. (in reply to photolitherland) Post #: 4

RE: Finally found a bottle dump!!!! - 6/29/2009 10:28:35 PM    appliedlips Posts: 3507 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline I'd say it a late 1800's wine, I think it's mud packed around the push up that looks like a pontil,Charlie. Anyway it's a good age to be digging in, congrats and good luck. _____________________________ LOOKING FOR PONTILLED OR EARLY SQUAT SODAS FROM HIGHLAND,ILLNOIS.. (in reply to cyberdigger) Post #: 5

RE: Finally found a bottle dump!!!! - 6/29/2009 10:33:51 PM    cyberdigger Posts: 12301 Joined: 11/29/2008 From: I 195 @ US 9, NJ USA Status: offline Just making sure everyone's on their toes..  (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 6

RE: Finally found a bottle dump!!!! - 6/29/2009 10:37:47 PM    athometoo Posts: 1753 Joined: 9/25/2008 Status: offline looking forward to the rest of the story . been trying every creek within a 30 mile radius  , at least one a day without much success , its always 40s to 60s.   they are doing alot of construction in downtown dallas , trying to get close enough to checkout the backfill is tough ,( thanks osha  thanks lawyers) , i was tresspassing on this land looking to steal bottles the dozers dug up and i sprained my ankle , i need a million dollars or a plantations bitters . thats what wrong with the legal system today .      thanks    sam (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 7

RE: Finally found a bottle dump!!!! - 6/29/2009 10:45:31 PM    photolitherland   Posts: 313 Joined: 6/20/2009 From: Russellville, Arkansas Status: offline Yeah, up till now all the crap I found pretty much was from the 50s-80s. Every now and again on the bottoms of creeks I find bottles but most of the time they are broken. I did find a nice silver berry spoon last week c. 1910. Cleaned it up and was able to get the silver finish back to almost original condition. You just never know what the hell you might find walking around in creeks and such. It helps though that Im not living in a big city, instead its predominately rednecks and such and they usually could care less about old stuff lying in creek beds. _____________________________ I see a mansard roof through the trees, the ground beneath my feet, it has garbage and concrete. (in reply to athometoo) Post #: 8

RE: Finally found a bottle dump!!!! - 6/29/2009 10:57:12 PM    cyberdigger Posts: 12301 Joined: 11/29/2008 From: I 195 @ US 9, NJ USA Status: offline I was a creekwalking fool as a kid.. I really miss the freedom I had as a cute little carrot-topped boy splashing along the stream in his rubber boots, carrying a pillowcase full of bottles freshly mucked out of the banks.. man I miss those days.... (in reply to photolitherland) Post #: 9

RE: Finally found a bottle dump!!!! - 6/30/2009 3:14:10 PM    jays emporium Posts: 1513 Joined: 12/18/2006 From: Victoria, Texas Status: offline I agree, that is a late 1800's wine bottle.  Let us know if anything else whole comes out of that concrete hard ground.   (in reply to cyberdigger) Post #: 10

RE: Finally found a bottle dump!!!! - 6/30/2009 3:33:25 PM    glass man Posts: 7739 Joined: 1/30/2008 From: GEORGIA Status: offline WAY TO GO! YES I MISS CREEK WALKING ALSO! FOUND SOME REALLY COOL STUFF DOING IT. PLUS I LOVE BEING IN THE WATER. WISH I COULD AFFORD AND LEARN TO SCUBA DIVE ROUND HERE. GOOD LUCK TO YOU AND LET THE PICTURES FLOW! JAMIE _____________________________ LET NOT YOUR HEART BE TROUBLED ! IF YOU NEED A BLESSING OR A SONG THAT WILL PICK YOU UP PLEASE LISTEN TO THIS SONG FROM"VAN THE MAN"MORRISON! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi4R2YXv_AE (in reply to jays emporium) Post #: 11

RE: Finally found a bottle dump!!!! - 6/30/2009 3:38:59 PM    pyshodoodle Posts: 2801 Joined: 8/3/2008 From: Lehigh Valley PA Status: offline Don't always bash the 40s-60s sights. You never know what you're going to find. War milks are always nice! We're digging a dump right now that was an old farm dump that was used for a very long time. I found my first squat soda (aqua with a lip chip)... also found one of those 70's plastic gumball machines - just the bottom. Besides the trip down memory lane remembering how much I always wanted one and never got one, when I shook it I heard noise! It was all I could do to wait until I got home to pry the plastic apart. Inside, 18 pennies. One was steel, so that one caused a nice rusty mess on my other pennies, but I have 17 other wheaties now! 2 oldest are 1914 & 1917. Not bad for a 70's piece of garbage. Both items were just found yesterday. Although - sounds like your newfound dump is a good spot. Can't wait to see pictures! Kate _____________________________ HONESTY IS NO LONGER PC. (in reply to jays emporium) Post #: 12

RE: Finally found a bottle dump!!!! - 6/30/2009 6:01:20 PM    Lordbud   Posts: 2297 Joined: 6/16/2005 From: San Jose Status: offline I work in a retail establishment and always keep my eyes peeled for wheatback cents, and silver dimes and quarters. In the past week I've found two mercury dimes in change -- one came out of a woman's change purse as she gave me exact change for a purchase. You'd be surprised what is still out there in circulation. These aren't worn smooth AG grade coins either. _____________________________ Jason San Francisco Bay Area bottles and go-withs. (in reply to pyshodoodle) Post #: 13

RE: Finally found a bottle dump!!!! - 6/30/2009 6:53:38 PM    photolitherland   Posts: 313 Joined: 6/20/2009 From: Russellville, Arkansas Status: offline Went back today and only got about 5 more bottles. Most of em I found in the stream since I couldnt really get any out of the stream bank since it hasnt rained here forever and the sediment was pretty much as hard as cement. I walked up and down the stream though and found some nice bottles so that bank must be loaded with bottles. The oldest one I found was the one from yesterday, and then I found another one which I dont really know what it was used for but I think its from the 1800s also. The only bottle I really dug out today. It was about at the same level as that wine bottle I dug out yesterday. On the bottom its embossed with Hunyadi Janos Bitterquelle. I think its also from the late 1800s. The rest of the bottles I just found downstream from the site. This one is a Califig syrup, I think its from the 20s or so? 1930s? Found this one about a mile downstream, its pretty dirty but it will clean up good I think. I believe it to be from the late 20s. I also found another berry spoon from the 1910s. Its the second one Ive found in this area. Its pretty rusted but it might clean up good. Now I just have to wait for it to rain good in order to dig in the bank. < Message edited by photolitherland -- 6/30/2009 7:11:34 PM > _____________________________ I see a mansard roof through the trees, the ground beneath my feet, it has garbage and concrete. (in reply to Lordbud) Post #: 14

RE: Finally found a bottle dump!!!! - 7/1/2009 9:59:19 AM    photolitherland   Posts: 313 Joined: 6/20/2009 From: Russellville, Arkansas Status: offline Heres one more I found downstream yesterday and it cleaned up quite nicely. Its a pretty old bottle and I love the embossment on this one. _____________________________ I see a mansard roof through the trees, the ground beneath my feet, it has garbage and concrete. (in reply to photolitherland) Post #: 15

RE: Finally found a bottle dump!!!! - 7/1/2009 12:00:37 PM    dollarbill Posts: 2728 Joined: 5/6/2005 From: maysville, kentucky Status: offline Hey Photo  that last one is really cool .p-p-p Sorry don't know anything about it .I do know I still dig those 1900 dumps too,looking for those green Jumbo Peanut butters and good sodas and milks . bill (in reply to photolitherland) Post #: 16

RE: Finally found a bottle dump!!!! - 7/1/2009 12:19:58 PM    jays emporium Posts: 1513 Joined: 12/18/2006 From: Victoria, Texas Status: offline That site is lookin good.  You are right about the dates on the machine made medicines and Bitterquelle.  The PPP looks like a hand blown TOC bottle so the dump probably is 1890-1920's time span.  When it rains and the ground loosens up you can probably dig some good bottles there.  It might be a lot of work, depending on how thick the trash layer is and how scattered the bottles are. (in reply to dollarbill) Post #: 17

RE: Finally found a bottle dump!!!! - 7/1/2009 1:21:06 PM    RED Matthews Posts: 2393 Joined: 8/2/2008 Status: offline Hi phorolitherland,  Nice location find. I decided to comment about the little wine.  Clean it cautiously in the empontilling area.  A lot of these push-up bottles were made with an iron punty rod that had hot glass applied to the heated end; when the applied the hot glass was picked up from the glass in the next progressing crucible, they got flass with floating gaul .  When this happened it created some neat color variations around the punty end application.  This was because the top glass melt hadn't been skimmed and the colors are a good sign of when they were made.  Good luck with your bottle finding.  RED Matthews < Message edited by RED Matthews -- 7/1/2009 1:24:16 PM > _____________________________ http://www.bottlemysteries.com/welcome/ (in reply to photolitherland) Post #: 18

RE: Finally found a bottle dump!!!! - 7/1/2009 2:59:06 PM    athometoo Posts: 1753 Joined: 9/25/2008 Status: offline HEY , CRIS ITS GREAT YA FOUND A GOOD SIGHT  . I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE GOING TO YELLVILLE  ,TROUT FISHING  , THIS WEEKEND . WOUND UP HAVING TO WORK SUNDAY . MY FATHER AND UNCLE ARE STILL GOING  . ( WHITE RIVER BELOW BULL SHOALS LAKE) WE ARE SUPPOSED TO GO BACK IN AUGUST , MAYBE I CAN DRIVE THROUGH TAKE SOME PICS AND SHOOT THE S##T . FOR AN HOUR . IF YA EVER GET DOWN TO DALLAS JUST HOLLER .   BTW LOVE THAT  P . P . P  NOW ALL YA NEED IS AN SSS TONIC .     THANKS       SAM (in reply to RED Matthews) Post #: 19

RE: Finally found a bottle dump!!!! - 7/21/2009 10:14:26 PM    photolitherland   Posts: 313 Joined: 6/20/2009 From: Russellville, Arkansas Status: offline Finally rained tons today so the soil was soft enough to dig in. Got two really nice bottles out of the pit I dug. My first intact Hutchinson bottle. A very rare one at that. Ive talked to most bottle collectors and antique dealers around and nobody has ever seen the Hutchinson Russellville bottle. I almost hit it with my shovel too and destroyed it. Right before I struck down I saw it and I felt like I had won the lottery when I found it. A few hours late I found a medicine bottle. Its really weird. The bottles are very spread out and they are hard to find. Its about a 1000 ft long area where I have found the bottles, but I only find one about every 5 ft across or so. I dont know whats up with that. Not cleaned yet. This is the bottle that got me into bottle collecting. I was looking for fossils in a creek here in town and found this bottle rolling on the creek bed. I was very interested in it so I found out what it was and ever since, Ive been hooked. That was about 6 months ago. < Message edited by photolitherland -- 7/21/2009 10:49:35 PM > _____________________________ I see a mansard roof through the trees, the ground beneath my feet, it has garbage and concrete. (in reply to athometoo) Post #: 20

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