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First bottle out of the new tumbler... - 8/20/2009 10:21:36 PM   
daeldred

 

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Status: offline 		Here is blob soda from Memphis, TN. I am using glass beads at about 80rpm. Not bad, I'd have to say. Here's the pre-tumble pic:




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RE: First bottle out of the new tumbler... - 8/20/2009 10:22:20 PM   
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RE: First bottle out of the new tumbler... - 8/20/2009 10:42:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		How long did you tumble? Use aluminum Oxide?

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RE: First bottle out of the new tumbler... - 8/20/2009 10:51:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I tumbled it for 3.5 days. I used 500 grit aluminum oxide for 2 days and aluminum oxide polish for 1.5 days. All this at 80 rpm. This isn't a "top shelf" bottle so I wasn't as concerned about it being pristine.Otherwise, I might have left it spinning for a wee more. Not bad though.

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RE: First bottle out of the new tumbler... - 8/20/2009 10:54:27 PM   
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RE: First bottle out of the new tumbler... - 8/20/2009 11:05:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is 500 grit aluminum the same as or similar to 600 grit silicon carbide which is used as a cutter? The problem that I am having is that when  I use a 2 step process (cut & polish) the 1st cuts properly but the aluminum polish can't polish the glass after it has been cut. There is always a film on the bottle from the cutting process even after 3-5 days of polishing with aluminum oxide. I probably don't need to use a cutter on most of my bottles but straight polishing doesn't seem to cut it either. There always seems to be some residue left if I use just the one step of aluminum polish lets say for 5 days or so. Who can hep me on this?

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RE: First bottle out of the new tumbler... - 8/21/2009 8:37:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		600 grit carbide is pretty durn rough. Have you tried 1200 carbide instead?

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RE: First bottle out of the new tumbler... - 8/21/2009 8:59:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Staunton Dan,

I am still in the experimenting stage, but I am learnig fast. My experience has been that with the 500 grit oxide smooths the bottles out pretty good and leaves a cloudiness to the bottles. It's the kind of cloudiness that wipes away with water but comes back when it dries. I did that for 2 days. Then, I put it on for 1.5 days (longer is not going to hurt) with the oxide polish.The polish takes the cloudiness off and gives it a little shine. Now, I think GuntherHess is right. Try a 1200 oxide. I am going to start experimenting with silicone oxcide only for my most worn bottles. I have some hutches and sodas with heavy case ware that I waht to come out sparkly. If you start with a bottle with not that many scratches then the silicone oxide cutter probably isn't even necessary.

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RE: First bottle out of the new tumbler... - 8/21/2009 9:07:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry Dan, I didn't answer your question. Silicone carbide is totally diffrent and MUCH harsher than aluminum oxide. It should be reserved only for bottles that have heavy wear. Also, use sparingly and experiment at first. Once you get the hang of it then you'll know and can get more adventerous.

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RE: First bottle out of the new tumbler... - 8/21/2009 9:08:42 AM   
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This is a good description of the tumbling powders.
http://www.jardoctor.com/CleaningOxides.htm
A bottle would have to be etched or scratched really bad before I would use 600 carbide.
Ryan is the guy to ask since he has such good results.

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RE: First bottle out of the new tumbler... - 8/21/2009 2:14:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Silicon carbide is a good cutter but you will have to go back with a non silicon cutter to remove the SC. Then polish with serum oxide followed by aluminum oxide. The silicon carbide and serum oxide will always leave residue. Metal based cutters don't.

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RE: First bottle out of the new tumbler... - 8/21/2009 4:21:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Staunton Dan

Is 500 grit aluminum the same as or similar to 600 grit silicon carbide which is used as a cutter? The problem that I am having is that when  I use a 2 step process (cut & polish) the 1st cuts properly but the aluminum polish can't polish the glass after it has been cut. There is always a film on the bottle from the cutting process even after 3-5 days of polishing with aluminum oxide.

If you use 600 to cut with, you need to use a 1200 grit in a second stage, and then a third stage with polish. The 600 is too coarse to use and then just polish. If you could look at your bottle under a microscope, the 600 leaves tiny scratches in the glass that 1200 can take out, but polish will not. That is the hazing effect that you are seeing. I only use 600 on my worst bottles, then 1200, then polish. Most bottles without heavy scratches or etching will do well if you first use 1200 to do a light grind, and then follow up with a polish.

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RE: First bottle out of the new tumbler... - 8/21/2009 4:23:31 PM   
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This isn't a "top shelf" bottle so I wasn't as concerned about it being pristine

I think your bottle looks great, a nice job. I would rather see an under tumbled bottle than an overtumbled super slick one anyday. A vast improvement, good going!

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RE: First bottle out of the new tumbler... - 8/21/2009 8:54:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Also your slurry mix is extremely important.  You must have the right amout of copper to water ratio.....every bottles a bit different. 

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RE: First bottle out of the new tumbler... - 8/21/2009 9:25:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Copper to water ratios mean very little. its the water to Oxide ratio that is very important

Dael - your bottle at first look, looks to be under-polished. I would bet if you leave that bottle dry out fully for a month it will look very dull. Keep at it and you'll get it right

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RE: First bottle out of the new tumbler... - 8/21/2009 10:04:30 PM   
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RE: First bottle out of the new tumbler... - 8/21/2009 10:26:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks everybody for your input on tumbling.
It's a great learning experience for me.   Greg

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RE: First bottle out of the new tumbler... - 8/21/2009 10:57:20 PM   
daeldred

 

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Status: offline 		Hey Ry,

Thanks for all your previous help. You may be right. It is very clean and much better than it used to be, but it does appear to be drying out and looking little more cloudy now than before. I didn't leave it in that long as I said earlier. I am still in the experimenting stage. I am going to try a 6 day regimen on my next bottle. 2 days 500 oxide + 2days oxide polish + 2 days cerium oxide then a muriatic acid bath.

As far as the slurry mix, I used on this bottle: 1 tablespoon on the outside and 1 teaspoon on the inside. Per Ry's instructions, I filled the canister to a little more than 3/4 of the height of the bottle and covered the glass beads with an inch of water. Everything plus or minus of coarse. I think my slurry mix is good. Ry did say that too little water is a BAD thing.

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RE: First bottle out of the new tumbler... - 8/24/2009 9:11:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've noticed that if you have to much copper and not enough water you get foam and not a slurrry mix.  It happened to me several times and the bottles come out hazy.  Just an observation mind you....I have backed off on my copper and used a little more water and their coming out great.
Also I want my bottle cleaned and polished to a degree not minty so to speak
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RE: First bottle out of the new tumbler... - 9/2/2009 7:00:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		What causes foam in the tumbler? Does anyone actually know? I don't think it's the copper to water ratio.

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