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Flint Glass ? - 1/27/2010 10:20:10 PM    Digswithstick Posts: 1811 Joined: 3/6/2008 From: north west pa Status: offline Hi posted this question before ,but with so many posts stuff gets buried fast lol . Found this at antique store ,says Flint ,is it ? Seems too new to me ,then again not sure .Read that flint glass was first made by crushing flint ,then later on quartz.Another question ,how can you tell flint glass and when did they stop making it (whoops 2 questions there)  ,thanks for any help Attachment (1) _____________________________ Digswithstick Post #: 1

RE: Flint Glass ? - 1/27/2010 10:51:48 PM    epackage Posts: 1873 Joined: 5/3/2009 From: Dirty Jersey Status: offline This ad seems to say yes it is a flint glass eye cup... http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:G58nuRSQevgJ:www.tias.com/12560/PictPage/3923699615.html+%22flint+eye+bath%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us Then again maybe not....LOL http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:TbPWMNMW9b4J:cgi.ebay.ca/Original-Box-Flint-Eye-Bath-Eye-Wash-Cup-Eagle-Products_W0QQitemZ120490918061QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAntiques_Decorative_Arts%3Fhash%3Ditem1c0dd180ad+%22flint+eye+bath%22&cd=15&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us < Message edited by epackage -- 1/27/2010 10:53:49 PM > _____________________________ Find me Paterson New Jersey Bottles !!!!!!! (in reply to Digswithstick) Post #: 2

RE: Flint Glass ? - 1/27/2010 10:53:22 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 9192 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline I dont think its actually flint glass. I think that's just a name used to sell it. I have see similar "flint" eye baths made of milk glass. I think at that time in history 'flint' was a more generic term for high quality glass. < Message edited by GuntherHess -- 1/27/2010 10:55:48 PM > _____________________________ New 2010 Antique American Medicine Guide http://www.antiquemedicines.com/BottleBook2010.htm My Site - http://antiquemedicines.com Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles. Email me at : mknapp@antiquemedicines.com (in reply to Digswithstick) Post #: 3

RE: Flint Glass ? - 1/28/2010 12:17:58 AM    Digswithstick Posts: 1811 Joined: 3/6/2008 From: north west pa Status: offline Thanks Epackage for finding and posting that ,looks the second one is correct ,made by Flint .Thanks Gunther ,you guys  posted about the same time, thanks for replies and information . _____________________________ Digswithstick (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 4

RE: Flint Glass ? - 2/6/2010 5:15:54 AM    dygger60 Posts: 78 Joined: 2/2/2010 From: New York state Status: offline I think it is just the seller name maybe? Flint glass usuallly refers to clear glass....most of the early glass producers refered to their clear jars as being "flint glass".... or clear. And as much as we all like those special colored jars and bottles...it was not so in the early years. Those rich colors we see were actually shuned by producers and packers. The colored jars and bottles would give the food and "unwholesome" look to the consumers.. But on the same hook, during this time period it was much more expensive to produce "flint" (clear) glass. A practice that was not normalized until after WW1. And here is where botlle and jar collectors differ...not on a bad note....but because it was so expensive to produce flint glass, jar makers, after filling a customers order, would use the remaining batch to make fruit jars so nothing is wasted. Some of the older (we are talking late 19th century)clear fruit jars are as scarce as those beautiful colored jars. But again, most would want an emerald green or yellow amber jar before having a flint jar. I myself get both.....to me...getting a "dead" clear (a term used by jar collectors meaning the absence of any tone what so ever) is as prized as an intense colored glass jar. Please pardon my rambling on about this....but as we say....it is my hobby. Peace folks David aka dygger60 _____________________________ Collector of BALL IMPROVED series / BALL MASON IMPROVED series / BALL MASONS PATENT series and early Muncie jars. (in reply to Digswithstick) Post #: 5

RE: Flint Glass ? - 2/6/2010 8:42:40 AM    Digswithstick Posts: 1811 Joined: 3/6/2008 From: north west pa Status: offline Thanks for information David. My question would be ,is all clear glass(jars and bottles) before 1890 ,when maganese was added to make glass clear considered flint glass ?Another question ,is there a way to tell flint glass other than age .Seems the term flint glass is used rarely when describing old glass for sale .Thanks for any information . _____________________________ Digswithstick (in reply to dygger60) Post #: 6

RE: Flint Glass ? - 2/6/2010 9:31:22 AM    Buffalo Hunter   Posts: 176 Joined: 2/20/2009 Status: offline Clear glass of any age and Flint Glass are worlds apart. Flint Glass is glass made with a high lead content among other ingredients and was generaly a early product. It also is a very heavy glass that can be found in early cut and pressed by all the better early glass houses. When thumbed it vibrates with a beautiful bell tone, in this case "Flint" is a name and not type. (in reply to Digswithstick) Post #: 7

RE: Flint Glass ? - 2/6/2010 10:02:51 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 9192 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline quote: My question would be ,is all clear glass(jars and bottles) before 1890 ,when maganese was added to make glass clear considered flint glass Manganese was added to glass to bleach it clear long before the 1890s. There are a number of clear pontil marked bottles from before 1860 that contain manganese. It seems it started to be most popular around the 1880s when a lot more clear glass starts to be seen. It was a lot easer than finding very pure silica deposits. The term 'Flint' for glass as used in the 19th century didnt mean a lot other than it could be applied to any clear glass whether that was leaded glass, manganese glass, or simply very pure silica glass. Now days collectors use it to refer to early non-manganese bleached glass. This glass often has a particular look to it especially after being buried. If you hold some of it in your hands you will see what I'm talking about. < Message edited by GuntherHess -- 2/6/2010 10:04:14 AM > _____________________________ New 2010 Antique American Medicine Guide http://www.antiquemedicines.com/BottleBook2010.htm My Site - http://antiquemedicines.com Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles. Email me at : mknapp@antiquemedicines.com (in reply to Digswithstick) Post #: 8

RE: Flint Glass ? - 2/6/2010 11:00:08 AM    Digswithstick Posts: 1811 Joined: 3/6/2008 From: north west pa Status: offline Thanks Buffalo Hunter and GuntherHess for information .I posted this picture and question  on" What is before 1900" and no response . Is this cut glass and is it lead glass and approximate age ,and if old enough would the clear one be flint glass? It is ground outside and inside lip .The small blue one is ground inside only .Any one have a picture of something flint glass they could post? The 1890 date was from Polak's bottle book ,thanks for correct info Gunther .  Attachment (1) _____________________________ Digswithstick (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 9

RE: Flint Glass ? - 2/6/2010 11:01:42 AM    Digswithstick Posts: 1811 Joined: 3/6/2008 From: north west pa Status: offline Bottoms ,thanks for any info . Attachment (1) _____________________________ Digswithstick (in reply to Digswithstick) Post #: 10

RE: Flint Glass ? - 2/6/2010 11:56:09 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 9192 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline http://www.sha.org/bottle/colors.htm#Colorless try this link _____________________________ New 2010 Antique American Medicine Guide http://www.antiquemedicines.com/BottleBook2010.htm My Site - http://antiquemedicines.com Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles. Email me at : mknapp@antiquemedicines.com (in reply to Digswithstick) Post #: 11

RE: Flint Glass ? - 2/8/2010 8:16:30 PM    Buffalo Hunter   Posts: 176 Joined: 2/20/2009 Status: offline I've read where Mr. Bakewell of the Bakewell-Pears of works in Pittsburg was attributed with development of a cheaper method to make red lead and Deming Jarves considered him to be the father of flint glass. (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 12

RE: Flint Glass ? - 2/8/2010 8:24:19 PM    Buffalo Hunter   Posts: 176 Joined: 2/20/2009 Status: offline I don't have any early flint in the house in the house that I can remember. I do have a set of wines and waters that can be found in flint, same pattern and age even to  look at them they nake you think of flint glass but they're not. If I can find a picture of a good example like a spill holder, I'll post. Your bottles are simple scent/perfume. Neither would be considered flint. They could possibley be simple Contential cut glass and the clear even American, not all that unusual to see in cut for their size. I wouldn't hazard a date guess because there is such a range they could be from. (in reply to Digswithstick) Post #: 13

RE: Flint Glass ? - 2/9/2010 1:24:39 AM    Digswithstick Posts: 1811 Joined: 3/6/2008 From: north west pa Status: offline Thanks for information   _____________________________ Digswithstick (in reply to Buffalo Hunter) Post #: 14

RE: Flint Glass ? - 2/9/2010 8:34:44 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 9192 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline Here is a typical flint glass bottle, a little smelling salts. Attachment (1) _____________________________ New 2010 Antique American Medicine Guide http://www.antiquemedicines.com/BottleBook2010.htm My Site - http://antiquemedicines.com Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles. Email me at : mknapp@antiquemedicines.com (in reply to Digswithstick) Post #: 15

RE: Flint Glass ? - 2/9/2010 8:44:20 AM    Digswithstick Posts: 1811 Joined: 3/6/2008 From: north west pa Status: offline Thanks Gunther ,a picture is just what a slow learner like me needed _____________________________ Digswithstick (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 16

RE: Flint Glass ? - 2/9/2010 10:38:01 AM    annie44 Posts: 1480 Joined: 10/27/2005 Status: offline A nice flint glass bottle I got from Jeff at the Baltimore show a few years ago...... Attachment (1) (in reply to Digswithstick) Post #: 17

RE: Flint Glass ? - 2/9/2010 10:41:17 AM    annie44 Posts: 1480 Joined: 10/27/2005 Status: offline Another small pontiled bottle...... Attachment (1) (in reply to Digswithstick) Post #: 18

RE: Flint Glass ? - 2/10/2010 9:47:07 PM    Digswithstick Posts: 1811 Joined: 3/6/2008 From: north west pa Status: offline Nice bottles Annie ,thanks for posting them ! _____________________________ Digswithstick (in reply to annie44) Post #: 19

RE: Flint Glass ? - 3/15/2010 6:43:33 PM    Road Dog Posts: 1613 Joined: 6/9/2005 Status: offline Here is a ground lip Mason's Improved that is clear. Only one I can remember seeing. Attachment (1) (in reply to Digswithstick) Post #: 20

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