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Great Big Hole - 3/29/2011 3:31:24 AM   
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I had noticed a crane highlighting my urban vista the other day.

I always try and recon construction sites in the old parts of town. So often they are fenced securely now days. There is even the occasional security guard on steroids and/or Mad Dog. But not today.

There was even sun. For those of you in more temperate climes, you really can't appreciate the frozen mud slide syndrome. Maybe I can give a glimpse.

No guards, no chainlink, just the safety orange roll up plastic.

Hell, there was even a stairway...



It was thirty degrees up top in the wind. The bottom was maybe 33 and wet. Bottom was at least 25 feet below grade. There were pumps running and hoses stretched up top. I was late to the party. I'd missed the entire excavation to this point. They'd already laid a base of heavy stone.



I circumnavigated the top outside the fence, and climbed all over the adjacent dirt pile. It was real wet. We've had a major snow melt followed by days of rain. Ah, spring.

The dirtpile had been covered on one side by strewn hay. There were huge gouts of semi frozen mud and clay, not much in the way of visible shards, couple of slicks, one nice yellow ware shard. Sheesh! With so manny cubic yards of dirt removed you'd think there'd be more evidence of old debris.

I haven't checked the Sanborns yet to see what, if anything, was there. In the present day, it's an industrial no man's land. But it sure was a big hole and there had to be something in it, didn't there. I did a leg over the plastic, and this time circled the upper level from 6 to 10 feet below the rim. Some scattered evidence of shardage in spots. It was pretty tore up. They may have run the compactor around the upper rim. I was mountain goating on a slippery slope, trying to examine the dirt while trying to watch, and feel every step, so not to go ass over teakettle into the hole.

I finally grabbed the left hand rail of the stairs and attempted to walk down the wall. Holding on to the railing with one hand and using my potato rake as a ski pole, in the other. The last 8-10 feet was a barely controlled slide. Now I've got kinda worn but nevertheless lug soled Wellingtons for the mud. Might as well have been barefoot surfing.

I tried to walk back up the other side of the stairway. Made a lunge for the rail about six feet up and tried to drag walk my way up. No go. Now I was sliding down backwards.



That was fun, now where's the glass? I was trying to see the flash of glass in the mud. There was some standing water in the bottom. Washed the great mud coronas off the boots and turned to looking. The corners were wet and water was trickling down. The excavator had tamped down the walls pretty well with his bucket. This was a bit below the water table. It was hard to see evidence of ash with all the mud.

There were scattered shards.



At least, the age looked okay.

I clumped around some more. I was overwhelmed. There was a lot of dirt, and mud. I haven't had much of a commune with the dirt yet this "spring."

Finally,a familiar shape poked it's neck outta the muck.

I hope y'all realize how difficult it is for me to reach for the camera before reaching for the bottle. The things I do for the home audience.

Well, thank you Mr. McCulley!. A lovely piece of Pittsburgh glass it is. Or, at least I thought so, before I tried to clean it.

Now, my cleaning skills are definitely sub par, and this is gonna be a real challenge. It's got a major coating of black hard tar like stuff firmly crusted over half the inside, and a bit less on the outside. It's almost crystalline. I found myself, later that night, trying to scrape, chip it off the outside with a bamboo skewer. This has worked well for me in removing rust in the past. Not so now. It's soaking...

I'm gonna have to more closely read the Cleaning & Repairing pages.

I gotta go back there after it dries out a little. I was hesitant to do much scratching or any digging in the hole, less I tip my hand to the contractors. I was trespassing my ass off, again. I don't want them calling in the storm trooper security guard.

Thanks for driving by.

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RE: Great Big Hole - 3/29/2011 4:41:37 AM   
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COOL SURF MAN!I NEVER PASSED UP WHEN THEY DID CONSTUCTION ROUND HERE AND A FEW TIMES IT PAID OFF!HEY YOU NEVER KNOW!KEEP US INFORMED...JAMIE

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RE: Great Big Hole - 3/29/2011 5:45:25 AM   
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VERY NICE FIND! GREAT PIX ALSO LETS SEE IT WHEN YA GET IT CLEANED UP!

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RE: Great Big Hole - 3/29/2011 10:07:28 AM   
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Best of luck Surf-------i  hope you hit the Mother Load

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RE: Great Big Hole - 3/29/2011 11:35:55 AM   
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What area of the country are you in, Surface?  We're having the same type of weather.  Some days, it is so muddy, it's a struggle to fill the woodbox without slipping.  Then, it freezes again!  So, what is your bottle?  Do post a pic, if you can, when it's cleaned up.  Always fun to stop by construction sites and see what's there!

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RE: Great Big Hole - 3/29/2011 1:51:31 PM   
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Way to go surf. Boy that would have been easy to miss, so glad you find her. I can only imagine what they dug and pushed around.
How high up on the wall is that squat?



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RE: Great Big Hole - 3/29/2011 2:06:29 PM   
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Is it possible to figure out where they hauled the dirt off to?

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RE: Great Big Hole - 3/29/2011 2:15:46 PM   
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Good point, Steve.  So many of the yards here were filled in, which makes it very hard at times to find the privy.  Not impossible, though.  One bonus is being able to find things virtually anywhere.  But, if he/she can find out what they did with it, that's a good idea.

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RE: Great Big Hole - 3/29/2011 2:51:06 PM   
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Nice! A big kids playground... I love construction sites, some of the most fun...

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RE: Great Big Hole - 3/29/2011 3:44:24 PM   
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quote:

But, if he/she can find out what they did with it, that's a good idea.


Hey Lauren,

I'm virtually certain I'm a guy. I've checked with the bride and offspring. They confirmed it.

We're straddling similar lines of latitude, I believe, about a hundred & a half leagues apart, but my geography is kinda fuzzy.

I've got a line on a prospective dirt depository. Interestingly, the depository is very securely fenced with locked gates. I think I may know a way in, but it's gonna have to be a stealth reconnoiter. What the heck did I do with my hard hat & vest disguise?



Rocky,

The little squat was about 4 feet from the bottom. It looked like it may have slid down from above, but who knows for sure. I'm just glad it was camouflaged in all that mud, so it didn't go home in a contractor's bucket...









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RE: Great Big Hole - 3/29/2011 4:24:14 PM   
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I thought so, just didn't want to insult you in case lol.  Hmm, guess I'll have to brush up on my geography!

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RE: Great Big Hole - 3/29/2011 6:31:13 PM   
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Hey Surfaceone,...nice find indeed...weren't you just mentioning nice dark aqua Pittsburg glass? Please share a picture soon.




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RE: Great Big Hole - 3/29/2011 6:43:13 PM   
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Nice find! Please let us know if there's any embossing on the bottle! 

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RE: Great Big Hole - 3/30/2011 1:14:32 AM   
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nice finds and no no trespassing signs your good to go

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RE: Great Big Hole - 3/30/2011 3:08:16 AM   
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I'm virtually certain I'm a guy. I've checked with the bride and offspring. They confirmed it.


I STILL HAVE A CRUSH ON YOU!!! JAMIE

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RE: Great Big Hole - 4/14/2011 11:19:14 PM   
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Hey Jamie,

So I went back to the big hole and had another look around. I walked the upper perimeter, the middle, and the bottom. The mid level showed the most promise, but is very wet.

I don't know how far below the water table it is, but it's slick, slidey, suck yer boot right off muddy gook just beneath the surface.

I found some sign of shardage
and what looked like ashiness, and proceeded to scratch away.

This spot looked appealing. Just beneath the nice tamped down surface there was a bonanza of crushed goodies. There was heavy duty yellow ware in abundance, all crushed down into a seam about a foot and a half deep.

This was all well and truly smashed. It was as if someone and discarded a shop inventory of chamber pots and planters. There was nothing whole. Two thirds of an undistinguished cream pitcher was as close as it got. Very awkward digging. I wanted to leave as few "footprints" as possible, so would throw the spoils up hill, so as to be able to easily rake the debris back in the hole.

I have read of the guys in Nawlins digging the wet privies. I had no idea. Totally unlike any digging I've previously done. Discovered that I've got some stress cracks in the old rubber boots. The virtual cold muddy foot is not such fun. I raked it back in. Trying to disguise my tracks as best I could.

I moved over a bit and turned up my very first intact Dr. Hostetters. I know hard to believe, but I finally got one.

This was followed by a small Halford Leicestershire Sauce. This was good, but the area of intact bottles had a water flowing precipitous drop off, which I could not navigate alone without some sorta safety rope. A bosun's chair woulda come in real handy.

I moved over to another spot, nearly fell onto the rocks below, built myself a little debris dyke and started back scratching and bailing by the shovel full. High kick up wine bases were coming out. I was scratching by feel alone, couldn't see diddly in all the wet mud, and then a flash of metal. A screech of scratcher on glass, and something else. I plunged a gloved hand in, over the top of the glove, but I got it. That was the end of the day's mudfest, as I now had soaked socks, and a glove full of mud.

But I when I examined the two pieces I'd just wrenched from the mud I was delighted. I haven't found any of these in a long while.
A heavily striated neck.




I think the seals came out so well because of the oxygen deprived environment. I was finding lots of waterlogged wood. Evidence that someone had thrown a lot of stuff in a wooden case. Barrel staves and iron bands were clearly discernable.

It was fun, but way muddy and cold.


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RE: Great Big Hole - 4/14/2011 11:30:46 PM   
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yo surface killer finds! you got to get back there!

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RE: Great Big Hole - 4/14/2011 11:47:12 PM   
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Your hostetters looks nice and old! Do u have a cleaned up pic? What color is it?

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RE: Great Big Hole - 4/14/2011 11:51:05 PM   
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Cool that you found the Hostetter's Surf,...intriguing shards too,....are those lead seals?..did you ever clean and post the blob top bottle? I'd love to see it in all it's crustiness if not.. Good luck there, but be careful of bullets kicking up the mud around you...

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RE: Great Big Hole - 4/14/2011 11:54:36 PM   
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Very nice!  Can we see the Hostetter's cleaned up?  Looks like fun!

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