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H.H.H. Liniment, Help Matt! - 10/19/2011 12:25:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just got this one this last week. I have 5 other H.H.H. bottles. Four of the five are embossed with H.H.H. Horse Medicine DDT 1868. The fifth one is embossed with Clifford & Co H.H.H. Medicine Chicago DDT 1868
Although I have seen folks try to sell them saying it has DDT in it the DDT stood for Daniel Dodge Tomlinson. Here is some information I had (sorry, I neglected to note where I got this):
“Gifford and Co H.H.H. Liniment Chicago on the front with “ The Celebrated” on one side and “D.D.T. 1868” on the other. The bottle contained “Indian Vegetable Pain Extractor for Horses” which was developed and introduced in 1868 by Daniel D. Tomlinson of Stockton, California. The formula was sold to L.L. Gifford in 1880, and the medicine was bottled in Chicago and sold under the names of both the H.H.H. Medicine Company and Gifford and Company at least through 1907, and as Tomlinson’s H.H.H. Liniment as late as 1948
Another old ad mentions the liniment being put up by Tomlinson only in Philadelphia and beware of imitators.

The above does not explain this one. In this case it is being produced in Philadelphia but not by Tomlinson and it is not a Chicago produced Gifford Company either. It is not even being touted as a horse medicine on this one. I know from a previous post that Aschenbach & Miller was a druggist.
The Active Ingredients label seems to have been an after thought. it is a paneled, blown med embossed H.H.H. MEDICINE THE CELEBRATED D.D.T. 1868 and stands around 5 1/4 "
Anyone have any other information and a thought to the date? It seems early 1900's to me.




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RE: H.H.H. Liniment, Help Matt! - 10/19/2011 1:30:15 PM   
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RE: H.H.H. Liniment, Help Matt! - 10/19/2011 1:37:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice. Good to see one with a nice label. I've dug a few over the years, less label of course.

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RE: H.H.H. Liniment, Help Matt! - 10/19/2011 2:41:41 PM   
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RE: H.H.H. Liniment, Help Matt! - 10/19/2011 3:45:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Aschenbach was selling HHH as early as 1893. I assume they aquaired the rights to make it somehow.
The gov prosecuted them for misbranding in 1910 under the F&D Act.
I would say your bottle is fairly late , maybe 1905 +/- a few years.
They probably assumed that since they were an external liniment for animals they would dodge the F&D Act axe but obviously their ad cure claims still got them in trouble.


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RE: H.H.H. Liniment, Help Matt! - 10/19/2011 4:23:37 PM   
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sparkle glass

What does "sparkle glass" mean?

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RE: H.H.H. Liniment, Help Matt! - 10/19/2011 4:27:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AntiqueMeds

Aschenbach was selling HHH as early as 1893. I assume they aquaired the rights to make it somehow.
The gov prosecuted them for misbranding in 1910 under the F&D Act.
I would say your bottle is fairly late , maybe 1905 +/- a few years.
They probably assumed that since they were an external liniment for animals they would dodge the F&D Act axe but obviously their ad cure claims still got them in trouble.


Do you have any idea of when they began to stop calling it a horse medicine or implied 'man or beast' and labeling it for solely for human use as this one seems to be?

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RE: H.H.H. Liniment, Help Matt! - 10/19/2011 4:28:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is another question...when did companies start putting the alcohol content on the label and why?

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RE: H.H.H. Liniment, Help Matt! - 10/19/2011 4:37:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		one of the provisions of the F&D Act was that non-prescrip meds must list their ingrediants on the label.
Many compies did it premptively before the F&D ACT.

You label is probably early stock and they ammended it with the ingrediants sticker at the top in an attempt to comply.
Indicating its most likely post 1906 when it was sold.

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RE: H.H.H. Liniment, Help Matt! - 10/19/2011 5:08:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the info. I find all this old medical history very interesting.

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RE: H.H.H. Liniment, Help Matt! - 10/20/2011 2:52:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Its a term Western or S.F.glassworks bottle collectors use to describe the rather unique bright shiny aqua glass that typifies early S.F Glassworks bottles........

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RE: H.H.H. Liniment, Help Matt! - 10/20/2011 4:02:48 AM   
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Its a term Western or S.F.glassworks bottle collectors use to describe the rather unique bright shiny aqua glass that typifies early S.F Glassworks bottles........


I wonder if maybe that's why a lot of our Hawaii bottles are pretty clean too? We got the PHW,PGW,PCGW on the base.
Is that Pacific Glass Works?


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RE: H.H.H. Liniment, Help Matt! - 10/20/2011 8:13:00 AM   
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Its a term Western or S.F.glassworks bottle collectors use to describe the rather unique bright shiny aqua glass that typifies early S.F Glassworks bottles........

Interesting. I will have to pull those HHH bottle out and look at them again.

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RE: H.H.H. Liniment, Help Matt! - 10/20/2011 8:19:59 AM   
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RE: H.H.H. Liniment, Help Matt! - 10/20/2011 2:27:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Years ago a friend and I put together a glossary of western bottle digger terminology. A unique "language" used by us who dig in CA, NV, OR, and WA. I'll see if one can be dug out of the "archives", in other words located somewhere in this place.

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RE: H.H.H. Liniment, Help Matt! - 10/20/2011 3:41:06 PM   
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RE: H.H.H. Liniment, Help Matt! - 10/23/2011 4:18:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Got in touch with a man that has done a lot of research on HHH. Thought you would enjoy the beautiful pictures he sent me. I would love to find some of those colored ones one day.




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RE: H.H.H. Liniment, Help Matt! - 10/23/2011 4:21:36 PM   
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RE: H.H.H. Liniment, Help Matt! - 10/23/2011 4:22:10 PM   
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RE: H.H.H. Liniment, Help Matt! - 10/23/2011 4:25:22 PM   
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