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HELP!!! RIP..... - 1/12/2006 10:10:53 AM    AmyS   Posts: 4 Joined: 1/12/2006 Status: offline I really need some help from those that are familiar with poison bottles! About 10 years ago my fiancee found a bottle while digging in our yard. The bottle is red and shaped like a coffin. I have been searching high and low for information on this bottle and finally found it! The only thing is.... the bottle I have found that looks like it is a reproduction from wheaton. I really think this bottle is an original. Knowing the history of our house, the house is over 100 years old, there is a very good possibility our bottle is in fact original, but am not sure how to tell. I am sending a picture of the bottle I found on ebay. I do have a picture of my bottle but my digital camera connector seems to be lost. Again, the picture is not my bottle. I do not see any marking on my bottle saying "Wheaton". Please help!!!! -Amy Attachment (1) Post #: 1

RE: HELP!!! RIP..... - 1/12/2006 10:39:29 AM    JohnRoy   Posts: 152 Joined: 3/9/2005 Status: offline You should ask for help from someone here who can come to your house and show you how to dig for even more old bottles at your house site. -John (in reply to AmyS) Post #: 2

RE: HELP!!! RIP..... - 1/12/2006 10:46:26 AM    AmyS   Posts: 4 Joined: 1/12/2006 Status: offline John, The yard isn't that big or I would!!! I am totally fascinated with this and eager to find out what the heck this bottle is (or isn't!). I never realized that posion bottles were so widely collected. Maybe I will start a new hobby! -Amy (in reply to AmyS) Post #: 3

RE: HELP!!! RIP..... - 1/12/2006 1:02:15 PM    JohnRoy   Posts: 152 Joined: 3/9/2005 Status: offline Since no one has answered you, I will venture to say that your bottle is probably an original, since the Wheatons I have heard of are marked so. If I am wrong, someone will correct me I am sure. BTW, if you do not know already, oftentimes people threw bottles, and other items, into the privy (outhouse). After some time, they usually filled them up with dirt, and over time the poop gets "eaten" (lack of a better word here) by bacteria. Do you know if your house had an outhouse? -John < Message edited by JohnRoy -- 1/12/2006 1:03:07 PM > (in reply to AmyS) Post #: 4

RE: HELP!!! RIP..... - 1/12/2006 1:43:45 PM    cowseatmaize Posts: 6462 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Eastern Northwest West Central area of Mass Status: offline The first thing you need to check is if it's machine made. Wheaton did in fact make that type of repro and were one of the only companies that used ruby colored glass. Gold was often used to get the red color so it wasn't generally used for "average ware". Sometimes a clear bottle was just coated in red. I remember the miniatures from gift shops at Old Sturbidge Village and the general store near the Wayside Inn. Anything ruby or poison related can fetch some money though. Check the mold seam and see if it''s above the neck. Also look for a ring on the base indecating the Owens Machine. One of Wheatons more obvious marks was a "fake" pontil but I don't recall them on the miniatures. These were very common in the late 60's - early 70's. Wheaton also made ruby inks etc. I personally have my doubts that it's anything but a repro. _____________________________ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati Eric (in reply to AmyS) Post #: 5

RE: HELP!!! RIP..... - 1/12/2006 1:52:38 PM    stormysouth Posts: 282 Joined: 10/6/2005 From: Sellersburg, IN Status: offline How tall is it? (in reply to AmyS) Post #: 6

RE: HELP!!! RIP..... - 1/12/2006 2:58:41 PM    AmyS   Posts: 4 Joined: 1/12/2006 Status: offline The seam goes all the way up and there does appear to be a seam around the bottom of the bottle. Additionally, on the bottom of the bottle there is another copyright symbol and about 6 raised "dots". The bottle is small, about 3" tall and just under an inch wide at the bottom. On the front of the bottle, under the skull and crossbones it reads: W 7/ © H (in reply to AmyS) Post #: 7

RE: HELP!!! RIP..... - 1/12/2006 5:17:51 PM    Miles   Posts: 324 Joined: 9/6/2005 From: New York Status: offline I believe that's the sign for a wheaton reproduction. (in reply to AmyS) Post #: 8

RE: HELP!!! RIP..... - 1/12/2006 7:35:50 PM    poisons4me   Posts: 514 Joined: 12/18/2005 From: Status: offline That is a weaton reproduction coffin made in the early 1970s and came in various colors the red ones seem to be more sought after than others but none were made to hold anything,strictly as a decoration type thing. i have passed many but there are people who do collect them and usally are anywhere from 5.00 to 25.00 depending on whos watching.That said if it gets you into collecting bottles that is great.....welcome on board.I hope this helps you out. Rick (in reply to AmyS) Post #: 9

RE: HELP!!! RIP..... - 1/12/2006 8:43:25 PM    AmyS   Posts: 4 Joined: 1/12/2006 Status: offline Thanks Rick! Now I have more questions.... How can you tell that it is a Wheaton repro? Being that it is a Wheaton, what was it reproduced to look like? Just curious, if I get into this.... how does one go about knowing the real thing from a repro? (in reply to AmyS) Post #: 10

RE: HELP!!! RIP..... - 1/12/2006 9:47:55 PM    poisons4me   Posts: 514 Joined: 12/18/2005 From: Status: offline The little bottles like you have there are also found in minature bitters,medicines and even large versions,all decorative not actual use bottles. You will learn to distinguish the difference only after handling many old bottles and talking/listening to the nice people on this forum. Here attached is a 1890s coffin that contained poison coffin shaped tablets.The one on the right and the amber ones are 1890s hand blown in molds with applied/tooled lips and the blue one on left is machine made (after 1910 range)the seam goes all the way to the top of the bottle. I hope this helps,also look on ebay on poison bottles from time to time and visit bottle shows. Its a great hobby and i highly recommend it. I would keep the bottle if i were you,its one of your first right??that will matter one day ill bet. Hope this helopes you out Rick. Attachment (1) (in reply to AmyS) Post #: 11

RE: HELP!!! RIP..... - 1/12/2006 9:53:24 PM    poisons4me   Posts: 514 Joined: 12/18/2005 From: Status: offline This will show you more detail,this is a pretty rare bottle in the 7 inch size like this. Shows you better the detail,these say poison across the back shoulder also,cool bottle. Attachment (1) (in reply to AmyS) Post #: 12

RE: HELP!!! RIP..... - 1/14/2006 3:04:55 PM    poisons4me   Posts: 514 Joined: 12/18/2005 From: Status: offline There are a few of them on ebay under poison bottles right now.. (in reply to AmyS) Post #: 13

RE: HELP!!! RIP..... - 1/14/2006 4:21:47 PM    atticmint Posts: 214 Joined: 10/28/2005 From: Honeymoon City Canada Status: offline DAmit...poisons4me is always making me drewl with his beautiful bottles I gotta go borrow my grandaughters bibb (in reply to AmyS) Post #: 14

RE: HELP!!! RIP..... - 1/16/2006 11:03:43 AM    Toxic_Waste   Posts: 60 Joined: 5/24/2005 Status: offline About the Wheaton ... I have collected three complete sets of those 3" coffin bottles. They were made in green, amber (yellow actually), a ruby red and a blue. I gave one set away as a gift, sold another set for $100 on ebay (all with corks) and kept a set for my own collection. You can tell they are repros because of the W71H embossed on them ... they were indeed manufactured in the 1970s for decorative purposes, even though the Wheaton company manufactured lots of pharmaceutical glass way before that. The repro poisons are still highly sought after, and I have seen several sell on ebay in the range of $60 to $90 each (people like the red ones best), but I have also seen them way cheaper. I bought a few for around $10 each or even less! Ebay is fickle that way -- you might get a fortune for an object, then somebody else tries to sell the same type of thing and gets almost nothing for it. Attachment (1) _____________________________ All men are cremated equal (in reply to AmyS) Post #: 15

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