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Half post and veterinary - 4/2/2011 6:51:58 PM    bostaurus Posts: 2299 Joined: 2/17/2009 From: Madison, Wisconsin Status: offline I wish I could find one bottle that combined both! These arrived in the mail today. The vet bottle has an applied lip and is embossed: Cataline Liniment..etc,etc. I have two other Cataline bottles but they are just embossed Cataline and measurement marks. This is the first one like this I have seen. The other is pretty much self explanatory. I love that it has the rum label. It is not clear but a very light grey-blue color. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Always looking for veterinary bottles, American and foreign. Post #: 1

RE: Half post and veterinary - 4/2/2011 6:52:40 PM    bostaurus Posts: 2299 Joined: 2/17/2009 From: Madison, Wisconsin Status: offline Closer picture Attachment (1) _____________________________ Always looking for veterinary bottles, American and foreign. (in reply to bostaurus) Post #: 2

RE: Half post and veterinary - 4/2/2011 6:53:12 PM    bostaurus Posts: 2299 Joined: 2/17/2009 From: Madison, Wisconsin Status: offline Top Attachment (1) _____________________________ Always looking for veterinary bottles, American and foreign. (in reply to bostaurus) Post #: 3

RE: Half post and veterinary - 4/2/2011 6:54:55 PM    bostaurus Posts: 2299 Joined: 2/17/2009 From: Madison, Wisconsin Status: offline The three I have so far. The center one has polished sides for putting in a box. The small has been ground for a stopper that is missing. the largest is a corker. Do you think they are of similar age? Attachment (1) < Message edited by bostaurus -- 4/2/2011 6:55:30 PM > _____________________________ Always looking for veterinary bottles, American and foreign. (in reply to bostaurus) Post #: 4

RE: Half post and veterinary - 4/2/2011 7:22:48 PM    Steve/sewell Posts: 4289 Joined: 1/23/2010 Status: offline I am glad you got that rum label one Melinda, I was going to bid on that one but I have run out of money for the moment!! In your picture left to right your new bottle is American German made from either one of these glass works.Stiegel,Amelung,or Lazarus Issacs who ran away from Stiegel and started his own flint glass works in Philadelphia in 1774.The other two bottles are Bohemian in manufacture and very nice.All the bottles are from the mid to late 1700s.Congratulations on your new pick up. _____________________________ Auf Wiedersehen (in reply to bostaurus) Post #: 5

RE: Half post and veterinary - 4/2/2011 7:29:20 PM    Steve/sewell Posts: 4289 Joined: 1/23/2010 Status: offline I am glad you have these in your collection Melinda they are priceless and quite historical to be in such good condition being they are over 240 years old each.If you look in direct sunlight at your new bottle in the pontil area,can you see a reddish color or orangish color like dirt in the jagged area in the pontil.Red equals Amelung orange equals Stiegel. _____________________________ Auf Wiedersehen (in reply to Steve/sewell) Post #: 6

RE: Half post and veterinary - 4/2/2011 7:43:56 PM    bostaurus Posts: 2299 Joined: 2/17/2009 From: Madison, Wisconsin Status: offline Thanks Steve. I should get a picture of the bottom. I am always surprised that these bottles go for rather low prices....unless they are enameled. I keep telling myself to stick to the vet bottles but I couldn't pass it up. Plus with the label it goes well with my apothecary bottles. There is a very nice vet bottle on eBay I would love but after buying this I have about 65 cents left in the PayPal account. _____________________________ Always looking for veterinary bottles, American and foreign. (in reply to Steve/sewell) Post #: 7

RE: Half post and veterinary - 4/2/2011 7:45:46 PM    bostaurus Posts: 2299 Joined: 2/17/2009 From: Madison, Wisconsin Status: offline By the way...is that an unusual color? I have not seen it in other bottles, that light blue grey. Not that I have held many 200+ year old bottles. _____________________________ Always looking for veterinary bottles, American and foreign. (in reply to bostaurus) Post #: 8

RE: Half post and veterinary - 4/2/2011 8:25:01 PM    cowseatmaize Posts: 6462 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Eastern Northwest West Central area of Mass Status: offline Wow, what is it with spring? These things crawling out of the woodwork all of a sudden? _____________________________ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati Eric (in reply to bostaurus) Post #: 9

RE: Half post bottoms - 4/5/2011 11:19:29 AM    bostaurus Posts: 2299 Joined: 2/17/2009 From: Madison, Wisconsin Status: offline Steve, I am not sure I see much color on the pontils. Two have some hard black discoloration but that seems to be it. this is the large etched one: Attachment (1) _____________________________ Always looking for veterinary bottles, American and foreign. (in reply to cowseatmaize) Post #: 10

RE: Half post bottoms - 4/5/2011 11:20:11 AM    bostaurus Posts: 2299 Joined: 2/17/2009 From: Madison, Wisconsin Status: offline The large stoppered one: Attachment (1) _____________________________ Always looking for veterinary bottles, American and foreign. (in reply to bostaurus) Post #: 11

RE: Half post bottoms - 4/5/2011 11:20:39 AM    bostaurus Posts: 2299 Joined: 2/17/2009 From: Madison, Wisconsin Status: offline The tiny one: Attachment (1) _____________________________ Always looking for veterinary bottles, American and foreign. (in reply to bostaurus) Post #: 12

RE: Half post bottoms - 4/5/2011 1:08:53 PM    Steve/sewell Posts: 4289 Joined: 1/23/2010 Status: offline Grey blue tinting is also a good indicator of Amelung glass.Whatever was in the batches of glass frit from his factory tinted quite a bit of his glass light greyish blue.All of the archaelogical digs at the site of his factory have yielded this coloration in the glass found.Great looking bottles Melinda.Once you secure one of those enameled Stiegel bottles you will be completely hooked.   _____________________________ Auf Wiedersehen (in reply to bostaurus) Post #: 13

RE: Half post/ warmed in - 4/12/2011 2:00:46 PM    bostaurus Posts: 2299 Joined: 2/17/2009 From: Madison, Wisconsin Status: offline Instead of starting a new thread I thought I would just tag into this one. As I was running errands I passed an antique store I had never been to before. She had quite a few of these half post decanters. In her description she used the term "warmed in" instead of half post. Has anyone ever heard of this being used to describe half post bottles? _____________________________ Always looking for veterinary bottles, American and foreign. (in reply to Steve/sewell) Post #: 14

RE: Half post/ warmed in - 4/15/2011 4:01:02 PM    Wangan   Posts: 1136 Joined: 12/4/2009 From: Northern Maine Status: offline Wow! Nice bottles! Never heard of warmed in,but it sounds interesting. _____________________________ http://youtu.be/e4ujS1er1r0 (in reply to bostaurus) Post #: 15

RE: Half post/ warmed in - 4/15/2011 4:22:11 PM    bostaurus Posts: 2299 Joined: 2/17/2009 From: Madison, Wisconsin Status: offline I actually did start another thread..but I still don't know why she called them "warmed in". Since most antique dealers don't really know much about bottles I assume she read it somewhere...but I don't know where. _____________________________ Always looking for veterinary bottles, American and foreign. (in reply to Wangan) Post #: 16

RE: Half post/ warmed in - 4/15/2011 9:18:26 PM    grugirl   Posts: 204 Joined: 3/25/2011 Status: offline These are intriguing bottles for me. I love the shapes and size especially of the large ones. What does half post mean? Is this something to do with the pontil mark? Very nice additions. _____________________________ Looking for digging partners in WA state (in reply to bostaurus) Post #: 17

RE: Half post/ warmed in - 4/15/2011 11:49:01 PM    RED Matthews Posts: 2393 Joined: 8/2/2008 Status: offline Well grugirl,  I haven't finished my efforts to get all the answers to finish my blog; but I know Steve/Sewell is well versed on the action.  It basically involves a gather of glass on a blow pipe that is puffed and made ready for additional glass metal to be added to that puff, so there is enough glass to make the objective larger bottle.  This let them start the sizing of the neck finish - then get the glass volume needed  to continue the blow of the objective larger sized bottle.  This action put a ring of glass around the neck base, at the start of the shoulder and the reheated initial puffed of glass was blown into and shaped into the objective glass product.   It was a parison start for the bottle, made without having the whole needed mass of glass metal needed for the product. I hope that helps you.  This is credited and called the German Half Post Method of making the product.  In my reading and studies, I think that the process was started in the Roman Empire's know-how and scarf-fed up by the German glass blowers that were sent to Rome to learn their techniques of glass making, when the Roman Empire collapsed. Here is another bit of information: This is a list of items to be converted into a home page subject of Mold Types  1.       The glass gathered on a blowpipe is referred to as a gather and also as a post. 2.       A second dip or gather of glass over a puffed first post it is called a double dipped post. 3.       If it is not dipped all the way up the puffed first post it is called a half-post of glass. RED Matthews < Message edited by RED Matthews -- 4/15/2011 11:54:06 PM > _____________________________ http://www.bottlemysteries.com/welcome/ (in reply to grugirl) Post #: 18

RE: Half post/ warmed in - 4/15/2011 11:54:16 PM    grugirl   Posts: 204 Joined: 3/25/2011 Status: offline Very cool. Searching for vids now on the process. Thanks for taking the time to share. _____________________________ Looking for digging partners in WA state (in reply to RED Matthews) Post #: 19

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