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Here's a Stumper Maybe... Perfume Bottle ??? - 11/22/2004 4:32:18 PM    MyndLymb   Posts: 16 Joined: 11/8/2004 From: Northern California USA Status: offline Hello All, I have the bottle shown below. It stands 4 3/4" tall, 4 3/4" wide, about 2" thick, it has a purple tint. The bottle is very heavy in comparison. On one side of the bottle there's what looks to be a sandblasted area shaped like it might have been where a label or something went. The crown top is very heavy, looks maybe to be pewter? On the bottom there's a begining and ending of some writting but the middle in distinguishable. It starts, "PA.." (and what looks to be a D, not a T which is what I initially thought for PAT'D.) then ends, "..FF" I'll post a few photos and see what you guys think. Thanks, Lou :-) Attachment (1) _____________________________ Lou Northern California "I Just Love Them Bottles" Post #: 1

RE: Here's a Stumper Maybe... Perfume Bottle ??? - 11/22/2004 4:36:23 PM    MyndLymb   Posts: 16 Joined: 11/8/2004 From: Northern California USA Status: offline Photo of Top Attachment (1) _____________________________ Lou Northern California "I Just Love Them Bottles" (in reply to MyndLymb) Post #: 2

RE: Here's a Stumper Maybe... Perfume Bottle ??? - 11/22/2004 4:38:39 PM    MyndLymb   Posts: 16 Joined: 11/8/2004 From: Northern California USA Status: offline Bottom Photo Attachment (1) (in reply to MyndLymb) Post #: 3

RE: Here's a Stumper Maybe... Perfume Bottle ??? - 11/22/2004 4:43:24 PM    MyndLymb   Posts: 16 Joined: 11/8/2004 From: Northern California USA Status: offline Side Photo of Bird Head and Wing. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Lou Northern California "I Just Love Them Bottles" (in reply to MyndLymb) Post #: 4

RE: Here's a Stumper Maybe... Perfume Bottle ??? - 11/25/2004 7:19:11 PM    KentOhio   Posts: 730 Joined: 9/13/2004 Status: offline Yes, it looks like a perfume bottle. Purple tint means pre-1914. If the top is ground, it would be even older, like pre-1910. (in reply to MyndLymb) Post #: 5

RE: Here's a Stumper Maybe... Perfume Bottle ??? - 11/27/2004 12:12:21 AM    ksdigger   Posts: 8 Joined: 11/23/2004 Status: offline My first though, however uneducated it may be... It reminds me of Crown Royal. Angie aka KSDigger (in reply to MyndLymb) Post #: 6

RE: Here's a Stumper Maybe... Perfume Bottle ??? - 11/27/2004 3:18:58 AM    MyndLymb   Posts: 16 Joined: 11/8/2004 From: Northern California USA Status: offline Kent/Angie, Thanks for the feedback. I've looked in quite a few places and just assume it must be a bottle that was produced somewhere out of the country, maybe in Europe??? I'm attaching a photo with the cap off and from the photo you can see the small opening, like a cologne bottle, and maybe that's what it is. It's not ground so you're probably right, it's early 1900s. You can see the purple tint a little better in this photo from the top. Thanks again, maybe I'll try another Board. Lou ;-) Attachment (1) _____________________________ Lou Northern California "I Just Love Them Bottles" (in reply to MyndLymb) Post #: 7

RE: Here's a Stumper Maybe... Perfume Bottle ??? - 11/27/2004 1:35:10 PM    lobeycat Posts: 3775 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: online Hi Mynd, I don't reconize the bottle, but I do know the stopper. That stopper was and is still used by an English company that goes by the name ROYALL LYME LTD. , a cosmetic firm located in London. Below is a pic of three of there bottles and a close up of the stoppers. One matches yours and the others are earlier cork versions, where the little crown on top unscrews. Your bottle might very well be from the same company, not sure though. Hope this helps. Rich. Attachment (1) (in reply to MyndLymb) Post #: 8

RE: Here's a Stumper Maybe... Perfume Bottle ??? - 11/28/2004 12:51:27 AM    MyndLymb   Posts: 16 Joined: 11/8/2004 From: Northern California USA Status: offline Hiya Rich! Thats got to be it. That's great! Thank you very much. That gives me a great lead to pursue now. I'll post a follow-up after I do some more research. THANKS!!! Lou :-) _____________________________ Lou Northern California "I Just Love Them Bottles" (in reply to MyndLymb) Post #: 9

RE: Here's a Stumper Maybe... Perfume Bottle ??? - 11/28/2004 5:22:59 AM    bigkitty53   Posts: 286 Joined: 3/28/2004 From: Bermuda Status: offline Hi Lou! Sorry for replying sooner.I KNEW I had seen that bottle before just took a few days to find it; http://www.antique-bottles.net/forum/old_perfume_bottle/m_9863/tm.htm There is another post that I remember,I think started by either Brian S. or David E. that I can't find. Oh yes,Rich!You might want to have a closer look at the labels Royal Lyme is actually a Bermuda Company,headquartered in the Royal Naval Dockyard.(a freeport)Originally started by a German lady and now owned and run by a couple of Irishmen from County Clare,(About 60 miles from LONDONderry!) The owner and the manager are friends of mine and I asked about the stopper.They are mass produced in China and NOT exclusive to Royal Lyme.Here's a picture I took of a window display of their latest scent when it was launched last year;Royal Tangerine. Attachment (1) < Message edited by bigkitty53 -- 11/28/2004 5:43:39 AM > _____________________________ "...Just don't let me mistake you for a mouse." (in reply to MyndLymb) Post #: 10

RE: Here's a Stumper Maybe... Perfume Bottle ??? - 11/28/2004 9:54:54 AM    David E Posts: 995 Joined: 5/24/2004 Status: offline Hi Lou, yes I ID'd your bottle for someone else on the form, sometime back and provided a photo of it from an antique book I have. Here's the information. 'Nikki', an amethyst tint, scent bottle and stopper, made for Orloff, the handles molded in form of eagles 11.5cm high Christie's $ 496.00. Source page # 439 (shows picture) Lyle Officiial Antiques Review 1996 Perigee books NY NY ISBN 0-399-52164-X Dave (in reply to MyndLymb) Post #: 11

RE: Here's a Stumper Maybe... Perfume Bottle ??? - 11/28/2004 11:58:19 AM    lobeycat Posts: 3775 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: online Here's one that sold on ebay recently. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=35985&item=2238049069&rd=1&ssPageName=WD1V (in reply to MyndLymb) Post #: 12

RE: Here's a Stumper Maybe... Perfume Bottle ??? - 11/28/2004 12:01:09 PM    lobeycat Posts: 3775 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: online here's one for sale now. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=35985&item=2289332069&rd=1 (in reply to MyndLymb) Post #: 13

RE: Here's a Stumper Maybe... Perfume Bottle ??? - 11/28/2004 4:46:19 PM    bigkitty53   Posts: 286 Joined: 3/28/2004 From: Bermuda Status: offline Hmm,that 1st E-bay link looks familar.... Thanks for the verification,David!(Guess I'm not going crazy after all!) < Message edited by bigkitty53 -- 11/28/2004 4:47:44 PM > _____________________________ "...Just don't let me mistake you for a mouse." (in reply to MyndLymb) Post #: 14

RE: Here's a Stumper Maybe... Perfume Bottle ??? - 11/28/2004 5:58:55 PM    lobeycat Posts: 3775 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: online Hey Big, you have some kind of problem? (in reply to MyndLymb) Post #: 15

RE: Here's a Stumper Maybe... Perfume Bottle ??? - 11/28/2004 11:44:23 PM    MyndLymb   Posts: 16 Joined: 11/8/2004 From: Northern California USA Status: offline WOW!!!! What a surprise! Kat, Dave, Rich, thank you all so very much for the feedback and finding the info! You guys are awesome!!! I started to do some searches on Royall Lyme and track down a collector in London somewhere through the net last night but didn't come accross anything quickly. One thing I'm surprised about is the top, as heavy as it is I would have thought that is was made exclusively for someone. The other thing that puzzles me a little is I understand that the maganese that was used in bottles that turns them purple from ultraviolet rays was no longer used (supposively) after 1915. That is also mentioned in the Illustarted Guide To Collecting Bottles by Cecil Munsey 1970 that I have. The two E-Bay posts stated the bottles were 1939 and 1940 I believe. Maybe the same bottle was produced for several years, some with and some without maganese.......? Anyway, thanks again everyone! I can see it's going to very difficult to come up with a bottle that is going to stump you guys. However, I still have a couple in my collection that have had me scratching my head for a while. I think my next post will be an embossed Bitters that I've not been able to find anything on. Stay tuned! Thanks, Lou _____________________________ Lou Northern California "I Just Love Them Bottles" (in reply to MyndLymb) Post #: 16

RE: Here's a Stumper Maybe... Perfume Bottle ??? - 11/29/2004 6:22:13 AM    bigkitty53   Posts: 286 Joined: 3/28/2004 From: Bermuda Status: offline I have no problem,Lobey.Did you you realize you duplicated Ambly's link?That's all meant in my last post.And the prior post was to save Lou searching in the wrong place for info I know well.Neither was intended to cause offense,and if it did,I apologise. Don't know if Lou should list his bottle on Ebay just yet-I notice the 1st bottle just realized a tenth of the Christie's auction,be interesting to see what the current one goes for. KAT < Message edited by bigkitty53 -- 11/29/2004 6:25:44 AM > _____________________________ "...Just don't let me mistake you for a mouse." (in reply to MyndLymb) Post #: 17

RE: Here's a Stumper Maybe... Perfume Bottle ??? - 11/29/2004 12:42:50 PM    David E Posts: 995 Joined: 5/24/2004 Status: offline delete delete delete. < Message edited by David E -- 11/29/2004 1:03:24 PM > (in reply to MyndLymb) Post #: 18

RE: Here's a Stumper Maybe... Perfume Bottle ??? - 2/5/2006 2:03:43 AM    Crys   Posts: 1 Joined: 2/5/2006 Status: offline Nice Bottle...!!! ;) I actually have seen that bottle and i do agree with you that it may be a perfume bottle. :) and i wanted to add that i love you and your bottles papa, so you've found your woman!! ok i love you... xoxoxoxxo;) _____________________________ Crys (in reply to MyndLymb) Post #: 19

RE: Here's a Stumper Maybe... Perfume Bottle ??? - 2/5/2006 11:53:15 PM    MyndLymb   Posts: 16 Joined: 11/8/2004 From: Northern California USA Status: offline Thank you sweetheart!b When I'm gone all my bottles go to you..... I love you too! papa.... (in reply to MyndLymb) Post #: 20

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