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I need Copper cut. - 10/23/2010 4:35:47 PM    peejrey   Posts: 1608 Joined: 7/4/2010 From: Hickman TN Status: offline Hey you guys, I hate to ask ,but I'm having a hard time getting copper cut to clean bottles with. If any of you Pro's have any extra, i need some. No more than a small flat rate box-full. I've tried a couple methods so fare but either i got the wire wrapped around the drill, or the iron piece slung out at me. But if you guys don't have any to spare i'll go buy a bottle of copper shot pellets. Thanks-P.J. _____________________________ ___Preston J. Reyome___ ••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• Collector of Tennessee Bottle and Labeled Medicines Post #: 1

RE: I need Copper cut. - 10/26/2010 7:22:33 PM    cyberdigger Posts: 12309 Joined: 11/29/2008 From: I 195 @ US 9, NJ USA Status: online Uhh, don't buy shot pellets unless they are made of 100% copper! Trust me! I might have a couple pounds of hand-cut 16 gauge to spare.. (in reply to peejrey) Post #: 2

RE: I need Copper cut. - 10/26/2010 8:02:42 PM    peejrey   Posts: 1608 Joined: 7/4/2010 From: Hickman TN Status: offline really! I tried to cut it but the wire wrapped around the drill, and slung around the room. not fun!!! _____________________________ ___Preston J. Reyome___ ••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• Collector of Tennessee Bottle and Labeled Medicines (in reply to cyberdigger) Post #: 3

RE: I need Copper cut. - 10/26/2010 8:12:12 PM    cyberdigger Posts: 12309 Joined: 11/29/2008 From: I 195 @ US 9, NJ USA Status: online http://www.antique-bottles.net/forum/m-207308/mpage-1/key-chomping%252Caway/tm.htm#207308 ..I managed to pick some bits up off the carpet.. One thing.. I don't recall if I'm talking 14 or 16 gauge any more.. it's one of them.. < Message edited by cyberdigger -- 10/26/2010 8:16:46 PM > (in reply to peejrey) Post #: 4

RE: I need Copper cut. - 10/27/2010 6:39:01 AM    suzanne   Posts: 689 Joined: 3/29/2009 Status: offline So, how are you coming with your tumbler?  Do you have before/afters yet?  If you do it is your duty as  a forum member to post them.  As an electrician I get copper all the time.  I wouldn't like to be cutting it into tiny pieces though. (in reply to peejrey) Post #: 5

RE: I need Copper cut. - 10/27/2010 7:42:20 AM    cowseatmaize Posts: 6467 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Eastern Northwest West Central area of Mass Status: offline I think you need this rig if your in it for the long haul. http://www.antique-bottles.net/forum/m-5467/mpage-1/key-tumbler/tm.htm About half way down.Then the other side is at the end. < Message edited by cowseatmaize -- 10/27/2010 7:43:54 AM > _____________________________ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati Eric (in reply to suzanne) Post #: 6

RE: I need Copper cut. - 10/27/2010 7:46:26 AM    cowseatmaize Posts: 6467 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Eastern Northwest West Central area of Mass Status: offline _____________________________ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati Eric (in reply to cowseatmaize) Post #: 7

RE: I need Copper cut. - 10/27/2010 8:21:15 AM    peejrey   Posts: 1608 Joined: 7/4/2010 From: Hickman TN Status: offline What are you using for the iron piece? I got the motor, driving belt, turn wheel, and barrels. I'm still looking for: Frame, Bar-stock, i can get roller skate wheels from goodwill, and stoppers for the pipe. very difficult. _____________________________ ___Preston J. Reyome___ ••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• Collector of Tennessee Bottle and Labeled Medicines (in reply to cowseatmaize) Post #: 8

RE: I need Copper cut. - 10/27/2010 8:46:53 PM    suzanne   Posts: 689 Joined: 3/29/2009 Status: offline Calling all Charlies!  Yes, that means you.  I want to see before afters from your fabulous home-made tumbling machine.   (in reply to cyberdigger) Post #: 9

RE: I need Copper cut. - 10/27/2010 8:58:02 PM    cyberdigger Posts: 12309 Joined: 11/29/2008 From: I 195 @ US 9, NJ USA Status: online I bet you do... it was right about the time you joined the forum I had to move from a farmhouse with out buildings to a 1 bedroom apartment, so my whole tumbling program got scrapped. Staunton Dan got my motor.. I hope it's still spinnin'.. I still have copper, cut and uncut.. and I still have the chomper.. (in reply to suzanne) Post #: 10

RE: I need Copper cut. - 10/27/2010 9:16:49 PM    suzanne   Posts: 689 Joined: 3/29/2009 Status: offline Ok, so, now you have plenty of room for a tumbler.  You can set it up in a corner of the living room.  That way you can always keep an eye on it.   So as a construction type person  I know you most likely come across motors that are not being used.  I know I do. You could just snag one of these babies and regroup in a New Jersey minute (I always ask permission  first and never got a no  because people want to get rid of them)  You have so darn many bottles it is the only practical thing to do. (in reply to cyberdigger) Post #: 11

RE: I need Copper cut. - 10/27/2010 9:27:33 PM    cyberdigger Posts: 12309 Joined: 11/29/2008 From: I 195 @ US 9, NJ USA Status: online Tomorrow is another New Jersey day, my dear.. we'll see what happens.. (in reply to suzanne) Post #: 12

RE: I need Copper cut. - 10/27/2010 9:33:35 PM    peejrey   Posts: 1608 Joined: 7/4/2010 From: Hickman TN Status: offline TODAYS NEWS: Wood bottle tumbler frame is out of the question. _____________________________ ___Preston J. Reyome___ ••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• Collector of Tennessee Bottle and Labeled Medicines (in reply to cyberdigger) Post #: 13

RE: I need Copper cut. - 10/27/2010 9:38:02 PM    cyberdigger Posts: 12309 Joined: 11/29/2008 From: I 195 @ US 9, NJ USA Status: online That looks more like an interesting headline, without all the juicy details.. what happened? (in reply to peejrey) Post #: 14

RE: I need Copper cut. - 10/27/2010 9:55:20 PM    peejrey   Posts: 1608 Joined: 7/4/2010 From: Hickman TN Status: offline All the steps for screwing up your tumbler! By P.J. Reyome Step 1. always make sure you leave your wood out in the weather for 3-4 months before using so the wood can expand, shrink and get hard. Step 2. Don't use a proper saw when cutting the wood always use a dull hack saw. Step 3. Make sure the nails go in crooked and get mad and say thing you don't usually while throwing the wood across you work area. Step 4. When there is a big gap in between the wood because you didn't cut it strait use splints from scrap metal. Step 5. when cutting notches for the pvc pipe (plastic bar-stock) make sure there unevenly spaced. Step 5. Always use an industrial 1 speed fan motor. Step 6. STAND BACK!!!!! _____________________________ ___Preston J. Reyome___ ••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• Collector of Tennessee Bottle and Labeled Medicines (in reply to cyberdigger) Post #: 15

RE: I need Copper cut. - 10/27/2010 10:10:42 PM    cyberdigger Posts: 12309 Joined: 11/29/2008 From: I 195 @ US 9, NJ USA Status: online (in reply to peejrey) Post #: 16

RE: I need Copper cut. - 10/28/2010 7:57:32 AM    Poison_Us Posts: 2954 Joined: 5/27/2009 From: Savannah, Ga. Status: offline Will be the next viral youtube video. _____________________________ Poison Us Member: APBCA ( www.poisonbottleclub.org ) Visit Us @: www.poisonousaddiction.com Looking for digging partners in/near Savannah. Be a friend. Give the "GIFT" of Poison. (in reply to cyberdigger) Post #: 17

RE: I need Copper cut. - 10/28/2010 9:43:36 AM    suzanne   Posts: 689 Joined: 3/29/2009 Status: offline Congratulations, you are off to a good start! You now have a proto-type.   I don't know from tumblers but when you have any kind of motor set up it is good to have a steel frame to mount it on, welded up nice and square, and bolted down to the floor with concrete anchors. Angle iron works good for this.  Even little motors are very torque-y and shake a wood frame apart sooner or later.    Everything has to be nice and level and plumb in order not to become unbalanced.  You would not  want your tumbler set up to shake loose from the floor and go lurching down the street like Godzilla, would you?  Oh, no, there goes Tokyo! You can use a pulley to reduce motor speed to whatever you want within manufacturers limits.  The formula is: Divide actual motor speed by the speed you would like the load to run at This has to equal - driven pulley diameter divided by your motor's pully diameter In this hypothetical case "x" is the driven pulley diameter that you want to find out Example - let's say your motor runs at 1800 and you want to cut speed in half to 900.   Go get calculator. 1800/900 = X/6      Cross multiply.  1800 times 6  is 108,000.      Now divide by the motor speed you desire which is 900 108,000 divided by 900 is 12 You need a 12 inch pulley. I don't know if that's how actual tumbler guys do it but you could ask some.  Who knows, maybe you could catch one in a good mood.   Maybe they just go out and buy a slow motor.  Speed is determined by line frequency (60 hz) and number of poles that motor has>the more poles the slower it can go but the more expensive it will be.  The copper cutting jig looks like someone snagged a random piece of iron with a groove in it somewhere and drilled holes in it to insert copper .   The important thing would be that it is square so it can be bolted down, and the feed holes for the copper be straight and have a precise tolerance for whatever guage of wire so you get a square cut.  You would need to drill the little wire holes using a drill press to keep them straight. Everything I just said is opinion so if anybody sees a problem with it they should probably help this guy out so I don't give him bad ideas. (in reply to peejrey) Post #: 18

RE: I need Copper cut. - 10/28/2010 4:23:15 PM    peejrey   Posts: 1608 Joined: 7/4/2010 From: Hickman TN Status: offline Hmmmmm........... I think i have a twelve in pulley. Where can i buy the frame materials at? also the bar stock? _____________________________ ___Preston J. Reyome___ ••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• Collector of Tennessee Bottle and Labeled Medicines (in reply to suzanne) Post #: 19

RE: I need Copper cut. - 10/28/2010 5:53:59 PM    suzanne   Posts: 689 Joined: 3/29/2009 Status: offline OK, that's if the pulley on your motor happens to be 6 inches.  If it's something else you have to recalculate.  Just measure across it and insert it into the formula instead of 6.  Angle iron can be purchased in some small quantities at some hardware stores I have noticed, or you could go to a welding/fab shop and find out who their supplier is.  You might want to have them weld it up after you come up with a viable drawing of what you want.  I am long on theory and very short on experience when it comes to tumblers so someone who knows what they are talking about could hopefully get on here and help.  SO WHAT DO YOU GUYS DO?  Do you just buy a really slow motor or what?  What is the most cost effective way to do it? (in reply to peejrey) Post #: 20

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