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Indian Queen Bitters ??? - 7/17/2005 4:46:18 PM    whiskeyman Posts: 2015 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline This is a new one on me. I am aware of an amber repo with a headress type stopper and ,a clear one made in France back in the 70's....this seller claims this is an original label only Brown's Celebrated Indian Herb Bitters. Any comments? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6192998648&category=890&rd=1 Attachment (1) < Message edited by whiskeyman -- 7/17/2005 4:50:17 PM > _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc...and, Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com Post #: 1

RE: Indian Queen Bitters ??? - 7/17/2005 4:52:35 PM    lobeycat Posts: 3608 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: online Dont know for sure Whiskey. I'm a lil suspicious. Wheren't all the queen bitters painted when new? Gold trim or somethiing i believe. maybe this is a later version, the lip just dont look right to this eye. Lobey. this is one for sir Brian < Message edited by lobeycat -- 7/17/2005 5:02:12 PM > (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 2

RE: Indian Queen Bitters ??? - 7/17/2005 5:09:07 PM    whiskeyman Posts: 2015 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline LOBEY...I have seen a few with traces of gold paint. The mouth looks all wrong to me too...kinda crudely tooled ,like the Czech repos of the Jenny Lind calabash. _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc...and, Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 3

RE: Indian Queen Bitters ??? - 7/17/2005 5:25:27 PM    whiskeyman Posts: 2015 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline According to Ring's book: the Queens had sheared mouths. The Mohawk Rye Whiskey had an unlettered shield ,but has Pat Feb 11 1868 on the shawl. I'd like to bid on it if I knew it was the "real deal." < Message edited by whiskeyman -- 7/17/2005 5:26:32 PM > _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc...and, Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 4

RE: Indian Queen Bitters ??? - 7/17/2005 5:54:33 PM    KentOhio   Posts: 713 Joined: 9/13/2004 Status: offline I saw that on ebay too and I didn't know about it either. (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 5

RE: Indian Queen Bitters ??? - 7/17/2005 6:01:10 PM    whiskeyman Posts: 2015 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline The mouth sits behind the head and not centered...and the arm holding the shield is straight... Attachment (1) _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc...and, Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 6

RE: Indian Queen Bitters ??? - 7/17/2005 6:40:00 PM    BRIAN S.   Posts: 1470 Joined: 5/27/2003 From: The Mountains of Tennessee Status: offline Hi Charlie and company ! It's a repro..... I will explain when I have more time and return home later this evening . Brian _____________________________ Tennessee Hillbilly Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most ! Always looking to buy or trade for Drake's Plantation Bitters and Drake's go-withs . And Tennessee Bottles and Jugs ! (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 7

RE: Indian Queen Bitters ??? - 7/17/2005 6:50:35 PM    Flaschenjager Posts: 1130 Joined: 12/21/2002 From: Central Virginia - USA Status: offline Hey Queenie lovers - I saw one of these on the Bay less than a year ago and researched it prior to bidding. Well, I forgot to bid on it before I left for a days dig and kinda regret it. This variation listed as 111. INDIAN QUEEN BOTTLE (similar to the famous Brown's Celebrated Indian Herb Bitters, but lacking the embossing), clear glass Indian Queen, 12 3/4", smooth base, tooled mouth, a shallow 1/4" chip on skirt, $130 (1996) = in ODELL'S VOL. 2 BITTERS. My GUESS is that it is from the thirties or turn of the century at best. Whiskey, if you win it I could paint it for you. _____________________________ 'Meech' Our websites: http://members.aol.com/meechuta/bottles.html Member of FOHBC - RABCA - APBCA Editor of 'The Digger' in full color! Please support the forums with a donation or purchase! (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 8

RE: Indian Queen Bitters ??? - 7/17/2005 6:50:37 PM    whiskeyman Posts: 2015 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline figgered it was... thanks BRIAN...catch ya later. Now I have to ask Roger to move this thread to the Repo section...where I started to put it to begin with. _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc...and, Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 9

RE: Indian Queen Bitters ??? - 7/17/2005 7:16:04 PM    woody   Posts: 1637 Joined: 10/29/2002 From: Gilmanton, New Hampshire Status: offline Irish can move this thread, also, Charlie. He's the Moderator of this forum. _____________________________ Woody (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 10

RE: Indian Queen Bitters ??? - 7/18/2005 12:46:32 AM    BRIAN S.   Posts: 1470 Joined: 5/27/2003 From: The Mountains of Tennessee Status: offline Hi Charlie and company ........ back to the Queen ! I believe Meech is close on the value... I have seen these sell in the 100.00+ range even though they are a repro. I believe Meech is close on the date also , if not a tad earlier. Don't quote me on this .... but if my memory serves me correctly , these are Italian made. And also , I seem to remember that they are made from an original Brown's mold ( with the embossing removed from the mold ). The no embossing and the unusual top are a dead give away on it being a repro. However there was an Original Brown's ( B 226 ) made in Clear and Aqua and they are extremely rare and would easily bring in the 5 fiqures range at auction. Here is a pic of a Brown's B 222 . Notice anything strange about the word "CELEBRATED" in the pic ? It is listed as Extremely rare and there was a repro of this variant made also , it was made for the 1957 Jamestown Virginia 350 year celebration ... it is very similar except the neck ends at the headdress and it has a stopper . And it has a fancy monogram on the base. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Tennessee Hillbilly Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most ! Always looking to buy or trade for Drake's Plantation Bitters and Drake's go-withs . And Tennessee Bottles and Jugs ! (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 11

RE: Indian Queen Bitters ??? - 7/18/2005 12:50:41 AM    whiskeyman Posts: 2015 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline (sheesh..I needta open my eyes. I didn't even see your post up there MEECH...I made that last one of mine & then left...) MEECH...thanks for the offer to paint it...LOL I didn't bid on it... And, I see it didn't make the Reserve at $165 either...(I wouldn't have bid that high anyways). Thanks WOODY...I didn't know that. IRISH...you care to move this thread to the Reproduction section? Thanks. _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc...and, Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 12

RE: Indian Queen Bitters ??? - 7/18/2005 12:52:48 AM    whiskeyman Posts: 2015 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline BRIAN...thanks for that info. I wasn't aware an Italian repo had been made but did know about the Stopper type variant. Didn't know it was an "error" bottle though. _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc...and, Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 13

RE: Indian Queen Bitters ??? - 7/18/2005 12:52:55 AM    BRIAN S.   Posts: 1470 Joined: 5/27/2003 From: The Mountains of Tennessee Status: offline It is believed that some if not all the Indian Queen's (Brown's) came painted . It is believed that the paint was removed by owners and collectors over the years. The paint traces on several examples is multi colored and not just Gold paint. Here's a pic of one of my Queens with paint traces. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Tennessee Hillbilly Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most ! Always looking to buy or trade for Drake's Plantation Bitters and Drake's go-withs . And Tennessee Bottles and Jugs ! (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 14

RE: Indian Queen Bitters ??? - 7/18/2005 12:55:15 AM    BRIAN S.   Posts: 1470 Joined: 5/27/2003 From: The Mountains of Tennessee Status: offline The original Brown's came with two different lip treatments , Ground and Rolled lip. Here's is a pic of a ground lip on a Brown's for anyone that doesn't know what they look like. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Tennessee Hillbilly Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most ! Always looking to buy or trade for Drake's Plantation Bitters and Drake's go-withs . And Tennessee Bottles and Jugs ! (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 15

RE: Indian Queen Bitters ??? - 7/18/2005 12:55:42 AM    whiskeyman Posts: 2015 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline WOW...great bottle. Whataya mean by , "one of?" _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc...and, Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 16

RE: Indian Queen Bitters ??? - 7/18/2005 12:56:09 AM    BRIAN S.   Posts: 1470 Joined: 5/27/2003 From: The Mountains of Tennessee Status: offline And finally here's a pic of the Rolled lip on a Brown's . Attachment (1) _____________________________ Tennessee Hillbilly Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most ! Always looking to buy or trade for Drake's Plantation Bitters and Drake's go-withs . And Tennessee Bottles and Jugs ! (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 17

RE: Indian Queen Bitters ??? - 7/18/2005 12:59:09 AM    whiskeyman Posts: 2015 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline I was once informed that on examples with the small rolled lip...when the lip was extremely chipped...individual collectors had the mouth ground flat. Anything's possible...I guess. _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc...and, Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 18

RE: Indian Queen Bitters ??? - 7/18/2005 1:01:41 AM    whiskeyman Posts: 2015 Joined: 4/17/2005 From: NE TENN-SW VA Status: offline Thats a beaut of a Queen...for sure. I almost owned one with some tiny lip chips...sent it back to the seller...(shoulda kept it). I did own another one...it had a tiny hole drilled into the front center (for some reason). I traded it off to a friend who in turn traded it to Rick Cogdill... _____________________________ * Member: Bristol Historical Assoc...and, Friends of Steeles Creek Nature Center & Park President: Bristol Tenn-Va Bottle Club Author of: Spirits & Medicinal Bottles of Bristol,TN-VA. My WebSite: www.bristol-tenn-va-bottles.com (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 19

RE: Indian Queen Bitters ??? - 7/18/2005 1:03:11 AM    BRIAN S.   Posts: 1470 Joined: 5/27/2003 From: The Mountains of Tennessee Status: offline Charlie , I would say that is possible . I wouldn't want to attempt it myself .... these Queens are very thin and fragile . Brian _____________________________ Tennessee Hillbilly Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most ! Always looking to buy or trade for Drake's Plantation Bitters and Drake's go-withs . And Tennessee Bottles and Jugs ! (in reply to whiskeyman) Post #: 20

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