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Is this a Gin? - 8/24/2008 4:06:34 PM    jdogrulz   Posts: 191 Joined: 8/10/2008 From: Boca Raton, FL Status: online Is this a gin guys (and gals)? Attachment (1) _____________________________ Jeff Post #: 1

RE: Is this a Gin? - 8/24/2008 4:08:38 PM    jdogrulz   Posts: 191 Joined: 8/10/2008 From: Boca Raton, FL Status: online pics #2 Attachment (1) _____________________________ Jeff (in reply to jdogrulz) Post #: 2

RE: Is this a Gin? - 8/24/2008 4:09:46 PM    jdogrulz   Posts: 191 Joined: 8/10/2008 From: Boca Raton, FL Status: online pic#3 Attachment (1) _____________________________ Jeff (in reply to jdogrulz) Post #: 3

RE: Is this a Gin? - 8/24/2008 4:10:34 PM    jdogrulz   Posts: 191 Joined: 8/10/2008 From: Boca Raton, FL Status: online pics #4 Attachment (1) _____________________________ Jeff (in reply to jdogrulz) Post #: 4

RE: Is this a Gin? - 8/24/2008 4:40:11 PM    NCdigger5 Posts: 512 Joined: 2/9/2008 Status: offline yep _____________________________ Dump after dump, privy after privy, diggin up treasure one bottle at a time. Ryan (in reply to jdogrulz) Post #: 5

RE: Is this a Gin? - 8/24/2008 4:49:37 PM    jdogrulz   Posts: 191 Joined: 8/10/2008 From: Boca Raton, FL Status: online Any ideas on age or origin? Is this a dip-molded case? _____________________________ Jeff (in reply to jdogrulz) Post #: 6

RE: Is this a Gin? - 8/24/2008 6:45:49 PM    tigue710 Posts: 1718 Joined: 7/11/2007 From: connecticut Status: offline very nice case gin...  it was blown in a three piece mold, the bottom half was a solid piece of the mold, at two opposite corners you'll see a line going half way up the arches and then strait up to the neck from the middle of the top of the arch.  probably dutch in origin from the 1880's or so...  _____________________________ aint no bottles in there.... (in reply to jdogrulz) Post #: 7

RE: Is this a Gin? - 8/24/2008 8:06:30 PM    jdogrulz   Posts: 191 Joined: 8/10/2008 From: Boca Raton, FL Status: online Hi tigue710 and thanks for the reply. I can see the seam here in this pic, I think thats what you mean. But it has some other wierd things (to me the beginner anyway) on it that I just seen. I will post the pics. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Jeff (in reply to tigue710) Post #: 8

RE: Is this a Gin? - 8/24/2008 8:08:34 PM    jdogrulz   Posts: 191 Joined: 8/10/2008 From: Boca Raton, FL Status: online And here, what are these divets? There are only 3, and they are at the bottom of the arches. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Jeff (in reply to jdogrulz) Post #: 9

RE: Is this a Gin? - 8/24/2008 8:10:32 PM    jdogrulz   Posts: 191 Joined: 8/10/2008 From: Boca Raton, FL Status: online And the swirls, is that normal? Attachment (1) _____________________________ Jeff (in reply to jdogrulz) Post #: 10

RE: Is this a Gin? - 8/24/2008 8:47:31 PM    tigue710 Posts: 1718 Joined: 7/11/2007 From: connecticut Status: offline the swirls are normal on a good bottle!  They were the result of different glass being mixed in the batch or impurities in the batch of glass.  Nothing nicer then some good swirls.  The divots were probably vent holes so air could escape the mold and ensure the corners formed fully... _____________________________ aint no bottles in there.... (in reply to jdogrulz) Post #: 11

RE: Is this a Gin? - 8/27/2008 12:43:47 AM    jdogrulz   Posts: 191 Joined: 8/10/2008 From: Boca Raton, FL Status: online First I want to thank Annie44 for helping to find an expert in the case gin area. Then I would like to thank masterginman for taking the time (3 hours on the phone and numerous emails) to explain Gins to a novice. This was his opinion on this bottle from the photos I sent him and without being able to hold it: This is a Very unique and hard to find Black Golden Glass Case Gin. Dates c1870-1880. The base was very intriguing and he is undecided (without being able to see it in person and actually hold it) whether it is an iron mold or a split post bare Irion pontil. He stated that for an Iron mold this is an unusually large mark. Also the size is unusual as far as base to shoulder size. This measures 2 1/2" at the base and 4" across the shoulders, height is 10 1/2". Thanks again for all of your replies and your info...I LOVE THIS FORUM!! _____________________________ Jeff (in reply to tigue710) Post #: 12

RE: Is this a Gin? - 8/27/2008 7:49:27 PM    masterginman   Posts: 2 Joined: 7/28/2007 From: Florida,USA Status: offline Hi Jeff, I finaly got my old code book and was able to log back onto this great bottle forum. Yes you do have a very unique and beautiful golden black glass case gin Circa 1870-1890. It was blown into a 3 piece iron mold. The base is what has me stumped. Without seeing this in person I can not tell if this was part of the base of the mold or a split post bare iron pontil mark. It is very uncommon to see bare iron pontil marks on the base of an iron mold case gin. But some glass houses did still do it. But the ones that did not, you can see where the catching tool grasped the sides of the bottle and made indentions in it. This was so the guys could apply the lip and tool it after it was snapped off of the blow pipe. This beauty also has what I call a spider line swirling inside the glass panels. This is from the powdered chemicals in making the glass(color)  mixture not fully being mixed in the batch of glass before bottle production was started. Remember, with over 450 glass houses in Holland going at one time during the mid to late 1800's. These  guys were producing 4 MILLION BOTTLES A YEAR!!!! Where are they?  I can hardly wait to see this one in person.  Looking at your first posted photo in this forum I am sure of it.  It is a unsual style of 3 piece iron mold case gin. I have only seen about six of these in the last 6 years going to bottle shows. So you found a really nice find my friend. And Yes I will try to see you on my way back up from the Florida Keys this weekend, after I pick up all those gins. You might not have this one very long my friend once I set my eyes on it. I love the rare, rough and unusal type gins. Thank you . Dwight (AKA:  MASTERGINMAN) _____________________________ dwight a. pettit jr. (in reply to jdogrulz) Post #: 13

RE: Is this a Gin? - 8/27/2008 7:57:52 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 5123 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline Those coners look like they may have riveted repairs. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to masterginman) Post #: 14

RE: Is this a Gin? - 8/27/2008 8:48:17 PM    jdogrulz   Posts: 191 Joined: 8/10/2008 From: Boca Raton, FL Status: online and what does that mean Gunther? _____________________________ Jeff (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 15

RE: Is this a Gin? - 8/27/2008 8:51:23 PM    jdogrulz   Posts: 191 Joined: 8/10/2008 From: Boca Raton, FL Status: online Thanks for all your help Dwight. Look forward to your visit. _____________________________ Jeff (in reply to jdogrulz) Post #: 16

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