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Jar and some bottles - burst-off blowpipe finish. - 8/22/2008 10:20:50 PM    RED Matthews   Posts: 79 Joined: 8/2/2008 Status: offline I would like someone to give me some insight to book references that will tell me some information on the concept of burst-off glass finishes on jars like; mustard, snuff, utility and preserve jars, fire grenades and some colognes and the Clyde Glass fire dowser bottles.  I am familiar with how it is done but I would like to read up on the methods used in this process.  I plan on including a review of what I can find - on my homepage: http://www.bottlemysteries.com    < Message edited by RED Matthews -- 8/22/2008 10:23:26 PM > Post #: 1

RE: Jar and some bottles - burst-off blowpipe finish. - 8/23/2008 3:31:01 AM    cc6pack   Posts: 542 Joined: 7/12/2003 From: Mableton, Ga. Status: offline Red Click on the Lips/Finishes link on the left. http://www.sha.org/bottle/index.htm (in reply to RED Matthews) Post #: 2

RE: Jar and some bottles - burst-off blowpipe finish. - 8/23/2008 9:36:50 AM    madpaddla Posts: 2805 Joined: 12/29/2005 From: The great state of New England Status: online Good luck Red.  Hopefully someone here can steer you in the right direction.  Interesting topic though.  Now I have to find a jar like that....too know what you folks are gonna talk about. madpaddla (in reply to RED Matthews) Post #: 3

RE: Jar and some bottles - burst-off blowpipe finish. - 8/23/2008 9:51:03 AM    jfcutter Posts: 54 Joined: 10/27/2004 From: Beautiful Klamath Falls, Oregon Status: offline Hello Red...   cc6pack did steer you the right direction in that I do have a brief discussion of the blow-over (aka burst-off) finishing (which is really a lack of finishing to some degree) in bottle making on the "Finishes (Lips)" page of my Historic Bottle Website.   http://www.sha.org/bottle/finishes.htm   One other note is that I have posted on the site an actual early 1900s film clip that shows the burst-off method of blowpipe removal!  It is fantastic and available via links at several places throughout the website including on the page linked above.  It is a link in the "burst-off" finish discussion entitled:  Early 20th century mouth-blown bottle making film clip.  (The previous is a hot link to the film clip also...at least on my computer...so just click it to see the clip.)   The film clip was courtesy of a senior engineer at the Owens-Illinois Glass Co.  I think it is just fantastic and shows the making of mouth-blown beer (I think) bottles with two blowers (gaffers) and one mold boy.   I have also taken a look at your website again (you contacted me some months ago) and would be pleased to add a link to your site on the Historic Bottle Website.  Your discussion on cast iron bottle molds is intriquing...and the fact that you used to work at Thatcher! I will be in contact later when I do some revisions to the site.   Bill < Message edited by jfcutter -- 8/23/2008 9:55:17 AM > _____________________________ Bill Lindsey - Klamath Falls, OR. Author of the BLM/SHA's "Historic Glass Bottle Identification & Information Website" http://www.sha.org/bottle/index.htm (...and a collector of American mouth-blown bottles) (in reply to madpaddla) Post #: 4

RE: Jar and some bottles - burst-off blowpipe finish. - 8/23/2008 12:35:55 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 5155 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline A very interesing web site you have there... http://www.bottlemysteries.com/ I was reading the section about bottom dots on stuff jars. I have heard from many sources that the dots indicated snuff potentcy but have never seen hard evidence to that fact. The marks have been used since at least the 1850s as this photo of a pontil snuff shows. Instead of embossed bumps the early snuffs used rod marks and I have also seen crosses. I think the logic for the argument that it represents potentcy is... - these marks seem to be specific to and consistently on snuff bottles (jars). - potentcy or strength was an important attribute for snuff Marks on fruit jars and other bottles are often thought to be indicators used for paying workers doing piece work. The snuff marks seem to be more consistent than marks on other types of bottles though. One thing I find odd is that they would use an embossed mark. A maker would have to know at the time they make an order how many containers of each type they need. This is compounded by the less reliable order and delivery system of the 19th century. Since all these snuff probably had paper labels it seems more likely that they would indicate the potently on the label at the time the jars were filled. Maybe there was some reason unknown to me that people would typically remove the labels on these jars (like they had coupons on them or some other reason). At this point I see pros and cons for the potency theory but I will have to keep my mind open and look for hard evidence. Again, thanks for interesting web site and keep posting to this forum.    Attachment (1) < Message edited by GuntherHess -- 8/23/2008 12:39:06 PM > _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to jfcutter) Post #: 5

RE: Jar and some bottles - burst-off blowpipe finish. - 8/24/2008 9:49:09 AM    glass man Posts: 1807 Joined: 1/30/2008 From: GEORGIA Status: offline GREAT STUFF! The film clip was like going back in time! _____________________________ I know You've got mountains that you think you cannot climb Your skies are dark You think the sun won't shine Case you don't know The WORD OF GOD is true! ALL HE PROMISED HE WILL DO IT FOR YOU! JESUS IS THE ANSWER FOR THE WORLD TODAY JESUS IS THE WAY! (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 6

RE: Jar and some bottles - burst-off blowpipe finish. - 8/24/2008 1:29:43 PM    madpaddla Posts: 2805 Joined: 12/29/2005 From: The great state of New England Status: online That is awesome video.  Had to save it.  Just great footage. madpaddla (in reply to glass man) Post #: 7

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