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Jeny Lind or Jenny Lind - 2/11/2012 12:26:30 AM    Tristamshandy   Posts: 10 Joined: 2/10/2012 Status: offline I have an aqua Jenny Lind calabash with Jenny spelled with one n. I have read that this bottle was reproduced during the 1930, that they even have a pontil scar as well as the crudeness of early glass . (Unfortunately my camera is working) I have several questions in the hopes to determine whether the bottle I have is authentic. It has on the front a bust of Jenny with two laurel sprigs on either side of her head. The sprigs frame her bust until the very top of her head. Above the sprigs are the words "Jeny Lind". On the the reverse is a factory looking building without any embossing. Can anyone tell me from my description as to whether this is an older bottle or the 1930s repro? Any comments will be greatly appreciated. Post #: 1

RE: Jeny Lind or Jenny Lind - 2/11/2012 12:56:05 AM    surfaceone Posts: 7127 Joined: 12/9/2008 Status: offline quote: (Unfortunately my camera is working) Hello David, Welcome. Unfortunate indeed. It's much harder to do this in braille. I was a huge Lawrence Sterne fan back in the day. (in reply to Tristamshandy) Post #: 2

RE: Jeny Lind or Jenny Lind - 2/11/2012 1:10:41 AM    Tristamshandy   Posts: 10 Joined: 2/10/2012 Status: offline I think Sterne would have appreciated bottle collecting (in reply to surfaceone) Post #: 3

RE: Jeny Lind or Jenny Lind - 2/11/2012 1:17:45 AM    surfaceone Posts: 7127 Joined: 12/9/2008 Status: offline Quite! (in reply to Tristamshandy) Post #: 4

RE: Jeny Lind or Jenny Lind - 2/11/2012 1:39:51 AM    surfaceone Posts: 7127 Joined: 12/9/2008 Status: offline This one's legit. "The calabash pictured to the above right has an image of - and the words - JENNY LIND embossed on the front and is classified as GI-99. Jenny Lind, a singer who was know as the "Swedish Nightingale", was lured to the America by P. T. Barnum for a series of performances in 1850 and 1851. The reverse side has an embossed building with a smokestack and the words GLASS WORKS / S. HUFFSEY and was likely the product of the Isabella Glass Works (New Brooklyn, NJ). These bottles date from the 1850s though there is evidence that the mold was used as late as 1870 (McKearin & Wilson 1978)." From. There were several moulds, and I believe, multiple glass houses that produced them. From. (in reply to Tristamshandy) Post #: 5

RE: Jeny Lind or Jenny Lind - 2/11/2012 1:46:05 AM    L C   Posts: 3445 Joined: 3/17/2007 From: Ohio Status: online I have bottles in boxes and all over . I know I have a jenny lind or used to have it , do not remember ever getting rid of it . I am sure it was a reproduction , in a color green I think . No pontil . Looked like it had a crude applied top , but had the look of being a copy . Wish I could put my hands on it , would like to know how old it is . (in reply to surfaceone) Post #: 6

RE: Jeny Lind or Jenny Lind - 2/11/2012 5:10:30 AM    cowseatmaize Posts: 6467 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Eastern Northwest West Central area of Mass Status: offline Welcome, This isn't 100% but there were originals spelled that way (3 I think, I loaned my book). I don't recall any repro's spelled that way. Another helpful but not 100% is the glass house. Two story, real. One story, repro. If you have those two factors together, I'd say real. There was another thread about these, I'll look later unless someone beats me to it. A good picture would be helpful. _____________________________ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati Eric (in reply to L C) Post #: 7

RE: Jeny Lind or Jenny Lind - 2/11/2012 7:11:15 AM    Steve/sewell Posts: 4291 Joined: 1/23/2010 Status: online Tristamshandy (David) Your flask is definitely original if it is spelled incorrectly as Jeny. It sounds like you are describing to me either one of the following three Calabash 1852 made flasks.In the town of Glassboro New Jersey at the Whitney glass works two of these were made the Mckearin charted Group  one GI-102 which is exactly as you describe but it has a s pointed star between the words GLASS * FACTORY. The next bottle is the Whitney made GI-103 the exact same details as the 102 but lacks the star between the name GLASS FACTORY, The last factory to produce your description is from Revenna Ohio and they also produced two of them in the same details.These were charted as the GI-104 and GI-105. On the 104 the smoke coming from the factory roof is droopy facing down on the 105 the smoke is pointing pretty much straight up. Each of these bottles differ from the Whitney made versions in that they have iron Pontil rings on the bottom.  None of the reproductions spell it as Jeny. Now to add to the confusion on some of the Calabash flasks originals her name is spelled correctly as Jenny Lind.I will put to gather some pictures for you a little later this morning < Message edited by Steve/sewell -- 2/11/2012 7:22:08 AM > _____________________________ Auf Wiedersehen (in reply to cowseatmaize) Post #: 8

RE: Jeny Lind or Jenny Lind - 2/11/2012 9:42:09 AM    sandchip Posts: 1646 Joined: 9/1/2008 From: georgia Status: offline Jenny Lind is but one early talent that you either heard live, or not at all, with there being no means of recording sounds at that time. We're pretty spoiled nowadays, and I've always wondered what the Swedish Nightingale must've sounded like, but will never know. Anybody else ever wasted good brain cells thinking about junk like this? _____________________________ Jimbo (in reply to Steve/sewell) Post #: 9

RE: Jeny Lind or Jenny Lind - 2/11/2012 10:59:45 AM    Steve/sewell Posts: 4291 Joined: 1/23/2010 Status: online I have, like a stalker Jim follow this.................Mr LobeyCat Rich when he was still with us cleaned up this image of an original Jenny Lind picture I own.I have gone overboard collecting Jenny Lind Memorabilia.  Attachment (1) _____________________________ Auf Wiedersehen (in reply to sandchip) Post #: 10

RE: Jeny Lind or Jenny Lind - 2/11/2012 11:10:55 AM    Tristamshandy   Posts: 10 Joined: 2/10/2012 Status: offline Thank to everyone who answered my question. The bottle I have has the image of the two story glass factory but there is no embossing e.g. glassworks, etc. As for Jenny's voice, I have read it enchanted a generation. (in reply to Tristamshandy) Post #: 11

RE: Jeny Lind or Jenny Lind - 2/11/2012 11:21:21 AM    Steve/sewell Posts: 4291 Joined: 1/23/2010 Status: online David here are the three possibilities for your bottle. Jenny Lind Whitney made GI-102 front side of the bottle.Embossed JENY LIND across the top of her portrait. Attachment (1) < Message edited by Steve/sewell -- 2/11/2012 11:25:31 AM > _____________________________ Auf Wiedersehen (in reply to Tristamshandy) Post #: 12

RE: Jeny Lind or Jenny Lind - 2/11/2012 11:26:26 AM    Steve/sewell Posts: 4291 Joined: 1/23/2010 Status: online The back side or the factory Side of the same bottle. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Auf Wiedersehen (in reply to Steve/sewell) Post #: 13

RE: Jeny Lind or Jenny Lind - 2/11/2012 11:28:16 AM    Steve/sewell Posts: 4291 Joined: 1/23/2010 Status: online The Star in close on this one In between the words GLASS * FACTORY is a 6 pointed Star. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Auf Wiedersehen (in reply to Steve/sewell) Post #: 14

RE: Jeny Lind or Jenny Lind - 2/11/2012 11:29:03 AM    Tristamshandy   Posts: 10 Joined: 2/10/2012 Status: offline Thanks Steve for the effort. (in reply to Steve/sewell) Post #: 15

RE: Jeny Lind or Jenny Lind - 2/11/2012 11:29:06 AM    Steve/sewell Posts: 4291 Joined: 1/23/2010 Status: online The rough pontil mark. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Auf Wiedersehen (in reply to Steve/sewell) Post #: 16

RE: Jeny Lind or Jenny Lind - 2/11/2012 11:31:55 AM    Steve/sewell Posts: 4291 Joined: 1/23/2010 Status: online The GI_103 very similar to the previous bottle but lacking the term GLASS FACTORY and the 6 pointed star. The rest of the bottle is the same mold. I believe the mold was altered more then once.The Jenny Lind side Spelled again as JENY Attachment (1) _____________________________ Auf Wiedersehen (in reply to Steve/sewell) Post #: 17

RE: Jeny Lind or Jenny Lind - 2/11/2012 11:33:28 AM    Steve/sewell Posts: 4291 Joined: 1/23/2010 Status: online The factory side. Notice there is no letter embossing on this one. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Auf Wiedersehen (in reply to Steve/sewell) Post #: 18

RE: Jeny Lind or Jenny Lind - 2/11/2012 11:34:15 AM    Steve/sewell Posts: 4291 Joined: 1/23/2010 Status: online The factory side in close. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Auf Wiedersehen (in reply to Steve/sewell) Post #: 19

RE: Jeny Lind or Jenny Lind - 2/11/2012 11:35:20 AM    Steve/sewell Posts: 4291 Joined: 1/23/2010 Status: online The pontil mark on the GI-103 Attachment (1) _____________________________ Auf Wiedersehen (in reply to Steve/sewell) Post #: 20

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