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Just back from 3 days of bottle diving. - 11/11/2008 6:47:24 PM   
adshepard

 

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Status: offline 		Dove for three days in Eastport, Maine.  Two of the days were nearly worthless as all I came up with were clay pipes and an aqua/blue Ball Perfect Mason (wife took that one).  However one day was great.  I'll post photos tomorrow.  I went to the "Land of Broken Ginger Beers" and finally came up with a nice stoneware Ingall's Bro.'s.  The sucker is large and was a pain to carry around during the dive.  Not far from the Ingall's I spotted a flash in the sand and dug up what appeared to be a paneled medicine or cure.  I couldn't read it underwater and was happy to see when I surfaced that I had a nice Dr. Kilmer's Swamproot with the kidney-shaped panel.  The lettering is weak but otherwise the bottle is very nice.  Later in the dive I found an aqua blob bottle with the name "Ludorff & Nacke" on it along with a bull's head.  Quick research indicates that the firm produced mineral water.

Again I will post photos on this thread tomorrow.

Alan
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RE: Just back from 3 days of bottle diving. - 11/12/2008 10:04:43 AM   
adshepard

 

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Status: offline 		Here's the Kilmer's bottle.  All I saw of this one was one single edge sparkling in the sand.  Quite often clear and aqua bottles sparkle a nice mirror like blue underwater.  The lettering is weak but readable.



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RE: Just back from 3 days of bottle diving. - 11/12/2008 10:08:22 AM   
adshepard

 

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Status: offline 		Here's the Ingalls, Bro's.  This one was within a few feet of the Kilmer's.  Damn it was a pain lugging this around underwater for 45 minutes.  HEAVY when filled with mud and pebbles.  I have one other stoneware Ingalls but it is different in color.



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RE: Just back from 3 days of bottle diving. - 11/12/2008 10:11:23 AM   
adshepard

 

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Status: offline 		Finally here is the Ludorff and Nacke with the bull's head design.  My quick research shows the company produced mineral water.  This one should tumble nicely.



Alan

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RE: Just back from 3 days of bottle diving. - 11/12/2008 2:41:35 PM   
L C

 

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Status: offline 		     Nice finds Alan . I am telling you , if I do not get out and do some digging somewhere soon , I am going ot bust !
 
   I love the embossing on that Ludorff and Nacke bottle. Looking at the inner top of the Ludorff and Nacke . it looks as if there is a indented ring in the glass , maybe it doesn't though being pics can fool a person some times . If so , it puts me more in the mind of being a beer if the top is made in the fashion it appears to be , but you said you researched it and found it to be a soda . Does it have an indented groove on the inside of the blob top of the bottle ?

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RE: Just back from 3 days of bottle diving. - 11/12/2008 5:14:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice "digs" there. I know it was a pain to lug around, but you must have been happy to find that it was whole and embossed. I snorkeled for bottles this summer up near Bar Harbor, and scuba dived closer to home here this fall. It is a lot of work and I've not taken to it as very well, I'm not much of a fish. Hopefully I'll get more comfortable and have better luck.
Hope you find more
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RE: Just back from 3 days of bottle diving. - 11/12/2008 6:49:09 PM   
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    Nice finds Alan . I am telling you , if I do not get out and do some digging somewhere soon , I am going ot bust !

  I love the embossing on that Ludorff and Nacke bottle. Looking at the inner top of the Ludorff and Nacke . it looks as if there is a indented ring in the glass , maybe it doesn't though being pics can fool a person some times . If so , it puts me more in the mind of being a beer if the top is made in the fashion it appears to be , but you said you researched it and found it to be a soda . Does it have an indented groove on the inside of the blob top of the bottle ?


It does indeed have the inner ring.  I suppose the company may have also produced beer.  I'll continue digging to check.  My first inclination when I got out of the water was that it was a beer.  The lisiting as a mineral water producer in some old NYC directory had pushed me in the mineral water direction.

Alan

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RE: Just back from 3 days of bottle diving. - 11/12/2008 6:50:52 PM   
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Nice "digs" there. I know it was a pain to lug around, but you must have been happy to find that it was whole and embossed. I snorkeled for bottles this summer up near Bar Harbor, and scuba dived closer to home here this fall. It is a lot of work and I've not taken to it as very well, I'm not much of a fish. Hopefully I'll get more comfortable and have better luck.
Hope you find more
bram


It is much easier to scuba than to snorkel although much more expensive. 

I love the old stoneware bottles so the pain of lugging it around was well worth it.

Alan

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RE: Just back from 3 days of bottle diving. - 11/12/2008 8:54:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the reply Alan . I have never seen a soda with that inner recess in the top of the blob like that , it has always been a beer bottle in my area that has that type of top on it. But that doesn't mean I am right either . It could well be a soda . I have always said that when you think you have seen it all , something will pop up proving your thoughts on something to be completely wrong ! What do some of you other Folks think . Have you seen a soda that was made like that for a type of stopper such as this ? I also can not think of what the name of that particular type of stopper would be either . If anyone can relate to that , please do as well .

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RE: Just back from 3 days of bottle diving. - 11/12/2008 8:59:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Beauiful finds, extra bonus that blob had an address on it as well!  Sounds like a Baltimore loop stopper on the blob top.

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RE: Just back from 3 days of bottle diving. - 11/12/2008 9:13:00 PM   
L C

 

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Status: offline 		Kind of looks that way .
     The photo to the right shows a beer bottle finish with the typical "look" of a bottle seal groove within a tooled blob finish.   This particular bottle is from the  Northwestern Brewing Company, Chicago, ILL.  which operated under that name between 1888 and 1909 (Bull, et al. 1984).  The base of the bottle has the makers mark "S. B. & G. Co" which stands for Streator Bottle & Glass Company (Streator, IL.) which used this mark between 1881 and 1905, giving a date for this bottle between 1888 and 1905 (Toulouse 1971).   Based on manufacturing based diagnostic features, this bottle could date anywhere within that range. But was that also use on sodas as well ? Like I said all sodas I have ever seen as for a blob top just had that open blob , no inner groove .




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RE: Just back from 3 days of bottle diving. - 11/13/2008 8:52:11 AM   
adshepard

 

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Status: offline 		Just found another reference (tax records) to "Ludorff & Nacke" listing them as a brewery in 1890.  The mineral water reference was from an 1897 document.

Alan

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RE: Just back from 3 days of bottle diving. - 11/13/2008 1:09:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice finds Alan -always like the old stoneware bottles, especially when they're from Maine.

L C - I have several Maine soda bottles that have the Baltimore loop stopper tops, the pic is of three ME sodas with that type of top: Bangor Soda Co., a hutch style bottle from Frank Malloch of Eastport and an Old Town Soda Co.  They're all from the 1890s.

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RE: Just back from 3 days of bottle diving. - 11/13/2008 1:55:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well you sure do Sam , and thanks much for posting them for me to see ! Those are the first ones I have ever seen , guess I have led a sheltered life . I have never seen even one in my area in all the years I have collected bottles . Then too , I have only went to two bottle shows , and that was years ago . If I had ventured into them more over the years , I most likely might have seen some of them . Thanks again for the post and the picture .

Speaking of Bangor , Maine , I was stationed with  a guy from Bangor , Maine in the service  . I asked him once ,,, WHAT DO YOU GUYS DO AS FOR SPORT IN THAT AREA . And he said to me ,,, SHOVEL SNOW !

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RE: Just back from 3 days of bottle diving. - 11/13/2008 7:28:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		That stoneware is really cool.  Diving is a great way to "dig" .  I considered it a couple of years back, I don't know why I didn't get into it. Probably didn't have the money to get set up. 

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RE: Just back from 3 days of bottle diving. - 11/15/2008 8:31:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Alan nice finds, do you ever go diving closer to home? Is that the Ingals company out of Portland Me. ?  Kevin

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RE: Just back from 3 days of bottle diving. - 11/15/2008 8:42:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kevin -

I've done nearly 1,000 dives and not a one has been in my home state of Connecticut.  My vacation/retirement home in Lubec is my center of diving.  In the past I did quite a bit of diving in Gloucester, Massachusetts.

The Ingall's Bros were out of Portland.  In addition to the stoneware bottles I have a few other glass blob top Ingall's.

Alan

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RE: Just back from 3 days of bottle diving. - 11/15/2008 8:46:31 PM   
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RE: Just back from 3 days of bottle diving. - 11/16/2008 5:09:40 PM   
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I've got a spot for you...


You got my attention!

River, lake or pond?

Thanks,

Alan

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RE: Just back from 3 days of bottle diving. - 11/16/2008 5:59:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Great bottles Alan.  Keep it up.  Those are beauties.

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