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Mold Defect - 3/8/2010 8:20:47 PM   
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I just purchase another Warners Safe to add to the pile of Safe bottles I already have.  I got it for a real nice price and it is different from the others that I own. Can anyone tell me what the mold defect on the back is from. It is a large circle with two dots on each side.




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RE: Mold Defect - 3/8/2010 8:22:27 PM   
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RE: Mold Defect - 3/8/2010 8:26:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looks like a large section of the mold was patched.
Interesting repair.

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RE: Mold Defect - 3/8/2010 8:29:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looks almost the size of a slugplate so maybe there was a slugplate cut out of the back of mold and repaired,the two dots look maybe like welds.Just a guess.....

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RE: Mold Defect - 3/8/2010 8:42:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		What i meant to say is where the slugplate was inserted maybe they wanted to cover it with a patch.Never saw that on back of a bottle before.

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RE: Mold Defect - 3/8/2010 8:58:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm thinking a crack or a bad area in the mold. They ground out a large section to repair it. The embossing doesnt look exceptionally worn so the mold still had a lot of life left in it.

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RE: Mold Defect - 3/8/2010 9:54:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hello to all of you;  It sure looks like a slug plate, but the two marked areas don't look like a normal type of weld.  Slug plates were normally fastened into the mold with one or two bolts recessed in the back of the mold and threaded holes in the back of the slug plate.  I am quite sure the seam mark around the plate seems to be a good plain milled match in the mold cavity.  And I have never seen a slug plate in the back of this type of bottle.  Thanks for showing it to us, Just Glass.  I would sure like to get my hands on it for evaluation.
I have seen some strange slug plate and even where inserted rectangular plates where inserted to remove embossed lettering. I have seen these with pins or dowels holding them in. This one is an odd ball.   RED Matthews


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RE: Mold Defect - 3/8/2010 11:16:40 PM   
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RE: Mold Defect - 3/9/2010 12:03:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mold repair?  I doubt it.  Show me numerous examples of this bottle, bearing this mark and I might believe it.  Let's not forget that bottles don't necessarily have to be in a mold to have an impression made on them.

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RE: Mold Defect - 3/9/2010 12:32:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just for the record. The circle is below the even plane of glass while the two dots which look like small spot welds are quite high above the even plane,  like embossing. I wouldn't think that this mark could have been made by laying a newly formed hot bottle on a object.

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RE: Mold Defect - 3/9/2010 8:06:18 AM   
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Let's not forget that bottles don't necessarily have to be in a mold to have an impression made on them.


good point.
Its always tough to make a conclusion from a photo. I could be wrong but it appears to be a slightly raised circle which would be tough to form external to the mold without deforming the bottle.
If it is a mold repair then there should be some more out there. There were a ton of those bottles made though and it may take a while to run across two made in the same mold.

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RE: Mold Defect - 3/9/2010 8:23:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GuntherHess



good point.
If it is a mold repair then there should be some more out there. There were a ton of those bottles made though and it may take a while to run across two made in the same mold.


Your right about a lot of Warner's, During the peak period of
Warner's business, production demand for bottles was intense.
Not only where bottles manufactured for the American market,
they where made for other countries until Warner's bottles
production started in these other places. My thoughts are
to keep up production numbers, the glass houses where
piecing together mold parts. They needed more molds
to help satisfy the demand. 

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RE: Mold Defect - 3/9/2010 8:48:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: wolffbp

Mold repair?  I doubt it.  Show me numerous examples of this bottle, bearing this mark and I might believe it.  Let's not forget that bottles don't necessarily have to be in a mold to have an impression made on them.


Point well taken, and I sure as heck don't know, but if it did touch something outside of the mold, I'd expect a different appearance in that area, both from the physical texture and from the probable difference in temperature of the object touched.  I also wouldn't expect it to have touched perfectly parallel to two axes of the back side of the bottle if indeed it was done by accident.

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RE: Mold Defect - 3/10/2010 8:22:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting site...
http://warnerssafeblog.wordpress.com/category/warners-safe-mold-error/


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RE: Mold Defect - 3/10/2010 9:07:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was showing my brother this Warners and he told me he has one with a similar circle on back. He said it is a very dark chocolate brown almost black looking bottle that has the same lip style and from Rochester NY. He told me it is packed away but I will see if he will dig it out so I can get a pic and post it.

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RE: Mold Defect - 3/10/2010 11:51:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't believe it's a mold defect. I believe it was just the way the company made the mold. The only reason I say that is because I have a couple of them, one in an old double lip and one in a newer blob top. Both bottles have an X on the bottom of the bottle in the center of the circle and both have the word Safe offset on the front like yours. On other molds the word Safe is centered directly under the word Warner's. I could be way off but it seems to explain why I have two diffrent types of bottles with the same markings.

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RE: Mold Defect - 3/10/2010 1:06:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		You can have two bottles made in the same mold with different lip finishes.

anyone have a copy of of the Warner's book?
http://www.antiquebottles.com/warners/book.html


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RE: Mold Defect - 3/10/2010 8:41:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a pic of the base, and guess what? There is a X embossed on it. Maybe it is the same mold.




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RE: Mold Defect - 3/10/2010 8:44:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I noticed the base of the bottle has dog hair all over it, its this guys fault. He's a german shedard




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RE: Mold Defect - 3/10/2010 8:52:02 PM   
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german shedard


Cool, where is the switch to turn his eyes off?

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