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Monday's treasure at the plantation...... - 3/31/2004 11:30:01 PM    Flaschenjager Posts: 1108 Joined: 12/21/2002 From: Central Virginia - USA Status: offline Hello everyone, Well, well, well...I've wanted a section like this since I joined here. I dig a lot and don't always find just bottles. Here's a gold plated button, one inch in diameter, with a 1837 date. This and many other interesting items were dug, solo, by me, at a 16" deep site. The trash or dump area is about 12' x 12' and less than half dug. I will return this weekend with help. Please note: This (and others) were dug looking for bottles and without the use of my detector, which I left at home. I'll use one this weekend though. I just found out about an hour ago that this was confederate, via a relic forum. Notice the early fire fighting vessel. No whole bottles at this hole......YET. Attachment (1) _____________________________ 'Meech' Our websites: http://members.aol.com/meechuta/bottles.html Member of FOHBC - RABCA - APBCA Editor of 'The Digger' in full color! Please support the forums with a donation or purchase! Post #: 1

RE: Monday's treasure at the plantation...... - 3/31/2004 11:33:24 PM    Flaschenjager Posts: 1108 Joined: 12/21/2002 From: Central Virginia - USA Status: offline Here's a close up of the center. Attachment (1) _____________________________ 'Meech' Our websites: http://members.aol.com/meechuta/bottles.html Member of FOHBC - RABCA - APBCA Editor of 'The Digger' in full color! Please support the forums with a donation or purchase! (in reply to Flaschenjager) Post #: 2

RE: Monday's treasure at the plantation...... - 3/31/2004 11:40:05 PM    Flaschenjager Posts: 1108 Joined: 12/21/2002 From: Central Virginia - USA Status: offline Here's another picture of one of the more interesting plates found in the same area/hole. People are telling me that it is a heel plate for a boot. I thought it may have come from a trunk or box. I also dug an early eagle button and some pieces (metal) that were attached to the shoulders to some uniforms. Neat stuff and most of the shards of glass found and bagged for now, were early. Check out the heart. Attachment (1) _____________________________ 'Meech' Our websites: http://members.aol.com/meechuta/bottles.html Member of FOHBC - RABCA - APBCA Editor of 'The Digger' in full color! Please support the forums with a donation or purchase! (in reply to Flaschenjager) Post #: 3

RE: Monday's treasure at the plantation...... - 4/1/2004 12:33:17 PM    kawdog   Posts: 192 Joined: 10/22/2003 From: Ruston Louisiana Status: offline I found a plate just like that once while I was metal detecting. I always thought it went to a trunk or a box as well, shows what I know. Great finds and take care, kaw (in reply to Flaschenjager) Post #: 4

RE: Monday's treasure at the plantation...... - 4/1/2004 10:25:01 PM    Pontiled   Posts: 411 Joined: 8/27/2003 Status: offline That's definitely a heel plate, and a much better-than-average one! That fireman's button is also a super piece. I don't have my Albert's button book handy, but will check as soon as I can for it. What markings, if any, are on the back? _____________________________ Mike Russell Author of: The Collector's Guide to Civil War Period Bottles and Jars -- Third Edition (in reply to Flaschenjager) Post #: 5

RE: Monday's treasure at the plantation...... - 4/1/2004 10:54:36 PM    Flaschenjager Posts: 1108 Joined: 12/21/2002 From: Central Virginia - USA Status: offline Hi Mike and all, It's backmarked "Scovills & Co. - Superfine" and a collector on a relics forum said it was listed in Warren Tices button book. The homeowner, my friend at the plantation, owns this book, but can't find it. It's a large and long house with many rooms...lol. The book states under Va. buttons : " A few silver plated buttons have been excavated at Mine Road camps in Virginia , and also at military sites near Richmond . Firefighters from the Confederate capital evidentally went to war wearing their Fire Association uniforms " I'm trying to find a value and/or rarity on it, because I want to enter it in a digging contest in Nov. and also present it, framed somehow, to the homeowner. Any ideas? I dug some other weird items in this hole and will return to dig some more this weekend. Some relics seem to be pre CW. I'm a bottle digger and this is all new to me. The glass found in this pit is quite interesting, but no whole ones just yet. _____________________________ 'Meech' Our websites: http://members.aol.com/meechuta/bottles.html Member of FOHBC - RABCA - APBCA Editor of 'The Digger' in full color! Please support the forums with a donation or purchase! (in reply to Flaschenjager) Post #: 6

RE: Monday's treasure at the plantation...... - 4/1/2004 11:06:47 PM    Flaschenjager Posts: 1108 Joined: 12/21/2002 From: Central Virginia - USA Status: offline Mike - My friend at this plantation gave me a book to read and it contains you as a reference or resource. It is "The Civil War Collector's Price Guide - 7th edition" This is my first reading on the subject and is quite interesting. Here's some more of the many items I dug there. Some said they are early shoulder pieces and others said chin strap pieces. The smaller one is 1 inch, at the side w/ the holes, and the other 1 1/4". The holes are pin size. Attachment (1) _____________________________ 'Meech' Our websites: http://members.aol.com/meechuta/bottles.html Member of FOHBC - RABCA - APBCA Editor of 'The Digger' in full color! Please support the forums with a donation or purchase! (in reply to Flaschenjager) Post #: 7

RE: Monday's treasure at the plantation...... - 4/3/2004 10:20:38 PM    kawdog   Posts: 192 Joined: 10/22/2003 From: Ruston Louisiana Status: offline Here is a picture of the heel plate I found that is similar to yours. Thanks for telling me what it really is, lol. I haven't took my metal detector out in a year or so but now I have the urge to. kaw Attachment (1) (in reply to Flaschenjager) Post #: 8

RE: Monday's treasure at the plantation...... - 4/11/2004 7:14:07 PM    Flaschenjager Posts: 1108 Joined: 12/21/2002 From: Central Virginia - USA Status: offline Hey Kaw and all, I visited The Museum of The Confederacy a couple of days ago here in Richmond, to find some answers, first hand. It only took a couple of hours for a tour and I found some of the things I dug. The fire button, of course, was a different story. I asked at the desk though, and was directed to a uniform and clothing historian. He couldn't help me much with my button, but found it interesting. He did tell me that the heart plate was not a heel plate, and I agree. First of all, it's too small. There are some websites selling them as such. Below is a picture I took at the museum that represents the headress or hat that the two small plates above would have looked like intact. Attachment (1) _____________________________ 'Meech' Our websites: http://members.aol.com/meechuta/bottles.html Member of FOHBC - RABCA - APBCA Editor of 'The Digger' in full color! Please support the forums with a donation or purchase! (in reply to Flaschenjager) Post #: 9

RE: Monday's treasure at the plantation...... - 4/11/2004 7:19:04 PM    Flaschenjager Posts: 1108 Joined: 12/21/2002 From: Central Virginia - USA Status: offline This is the tag describing the hat. Attachment (1) _____________________________ 'Meech' Our websites: http://members.aol.com/meechuta/bottles.html Member of FOHBC - RABCA - APBCA Editor of 'The Digger' in full color! Please support the forums with a donation or purchase! (in reply to Flaschenjager) Post #: 10

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