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My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/22/2009 1:29:02 AM   
Plumbata


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Status: offline 		Well, before I went digging today I told my gal that I would find something awesome, perhaps something that would help pay the incessant bills.

I had no idea that my casual statement would actually come true.

I went out, scratched for less than 3 minutes, and out popped something that I knew was special. I actually smacked one of the panels with my modified hoe. Thank god I didn't break the thing! I felt each of the 6 panels, and much to my surprise i felt embossing! I rubbed the dirt off the base, and felt something even more uncommon considering my experience; a pontil!

It came out of a post-TOC layer, but it is a good 45-55 years older. The wear on the base indicates that it saw plenty of use, so it must have been a VERY late throw, tossed after it served whatever final purpose it had. The only stuff around it was china, no other complete bottles, just a newer broken Ponds' Extract and some crappy slicks. After finding what I knew was a good one, I packed up and left, knowing that I wouldnt find anything else nearly as good even if I stayed 20 hours on top of the 10 minutes it took to pack up and take off.

It is 9 inches tall, a light emerald or lime-green, and it has no chips or cracks, just a little conchoidal divot in the base which detracts almost nothing from this fine specimen (at about 10:30 in the last image, the other protuberances are intentional mold alterations). It has a rolled lip and is about as fine a specimen of pontiled glass that i could expect to find in a town that hardly even existed in the 1850s

It is embossed "E.H.V.B. N.Y." and, as stated, has an iron pontil (that is very well preserved).











Well, here is where the questions come into the scene. How old is it, what do you know about the company, and is it desirable as far as embossed and colored pickles go? I am a noob and know nothing about it, so any and all info is much appreciated.

Take care and good luck digging y'all! If this can be had in TOC dumps in the midwest, then such things can be had anywhere, so go get 'em people!






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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/22/2009 1:55:07 AM   
Plumbata


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Status: offline 		Uhh, I just checked Kovels:

Category Bottle
Pattern or Item Pickle
Description E.h.v.b., N.y., Emerald Green, Applied Top, Ip, 8 3/4 In.
Year 1997
Price $4840.00

I imagine that it is one and the same bottle, aside from this being 1/4th of an inch taller and having a rolled lip. I know that kovels prices are often totally wrong, but... uhh... erm...

Did I just hit a jackpot, or is what i have a common variant?



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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/22/2009 2:51:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Stephen, what a nice find!

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/22/2009 3:09:54 AM   
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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/22/2009 3:24:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just had to look at it again. Love the design and coloration. what is the height?

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/22/2009 3:31:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Omg Plumby...What a pickle.. Im not even talking about the jar...

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ORIGINAL: Plumbata

Well, before I went digging today I told my gal that I would find something awesome, perhaps something that would help pay the incessant bills.


You didnt just dig a pickle...Your in a pickle how are you gonna tell her your keeping it?


Honestly Its beautiful. And id say its a grand slam

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/22/2009 3:35:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Are those bubbles in the bottom or 2 small feet to level it ?

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/22/2009 8:06:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nice find stephen!

WOW.. I'd be inclined to agree with you on the Kovel's comment... but you never know!
I'd expect that a nice tumble and ship it off to the next AB&GC auction would help pay those bills. If you drop an email to Jim H at AB&GC he would have a pretty good Idea of the value regardless if you decided to sell it or not.

Good job... it feels nice when all of those hours slogging over broken glass finally pays off.

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/22/2009 8:19:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh i could feel the rays from my st john's vacation when it starts snowing....to come back and watch my big screen t.v......with no bills......then again....sitting on the shelf and admiring for a few good mornings wouldn't be bad either....
nice

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/22/2009 9:09:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wow, what a nice find!  I'd be smilin' a looong time after that one!!!

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/22/2009 9:32:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Stephen -

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!

Everything about it is spectacular - pulling something like that from the ground is a dream come true!

I'd have to go back and dig the whole area too!  Just in case!

Don't forget to say those "magic words" before you do!

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/22/2009 9:47:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's a beauty. Nice pickle.
I'd like to see some pictures of it in the daylight to get the true color.
It has everything going for it.

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/22/2009 9:50:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wow. What a peach - Plumb,

That thing is 1850s at the latest. Super sweet. Congrats!

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/22/2009 10:03:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		That is a really nice find. Good Show!!! I think
you have a really special bottle there. According to the
book Ketchup, Pickles, Sauces by Betty Zumwalt that
E.H.V.B. stands for Elias H. Van Benschoten.
He operated a dry goods in New York at 68 Spring Street about
1842. He changed his line and began the Pickle manufacture in
1849 at 252 Front Street. After 1854 there is no mention of him.
The bottle comes in two sizes and is extremely rare.
Less than ten known.

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/22/2009 10:13:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nice bottle I would suspect the Kovels price to be a bit high. Pickles and bottles in general are a bit down at the moment. But if you had it cleaned I would ask $3500 for it if I was selling it.

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/22/2009 10:21:07 AM   
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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/22/2009 12:20:35 PM   
Plumbata


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Status: offline 		Wow, thanks a million for all the good words and information. It really helps me out a lot!

It is a sliver over 9 inches tall rockbot.

Just dig it, haha, she will understand. She has put up with my bottles so long that she has come to terms with the fact that they will be around until I die. It would be nice to not have to worry about bills for a while, (and get some killer locals) but I can to wait. Also, you are dead-on about the small feet to level it. One is on the base proper and another kinda sticks out diagonally from the junctrure between the base and panel Took some more photos of it.

When I came back to the Apt. I told my gal that I had found something probably worth at least 3 or 400 bucks, which even then would have been the most valuable bottle I've dug. I almost can't believe that a TOC dump digger like myself would up finding something so rare and desirable, especially when I wasn't even there more than 20 minutes, with most of the time being spent rubbing off the dirt and admiring the piece (I called my dad to relay the news too, hehe).

Antiquenut, after it came out I scratched around for a few more minutes but nothing but rusted out can hollows and a few china shards appeared. This bottle was actually right behind a large piece of a TOC stoneware mixing bowl, and I easily could have broken it. Even more, I was impatient with it so I pried it out without exposing the neck and the top! It shouldn't have been there to begin with, and since it was, it should have at least been damaged or broken, but neither I in my haste nor a century of entombment did this piece in. Hard to believe, eh? I will go back to poke around, but since it was a solid 1905-1910 layer i doubt i will find anything else nearly as old. The neighborhood that probably dumped it wasnt even built until the 1870s or 1880s!

Thanks for the tip Ant, I will have to see about contacting the fellow. If I sell it I will be able to afford coming to get that jug asap! 

And potstone, many thanks for transcribing that information, that is some info i was looking for! so it is 1849-1854 and less than 10 are known? Killer!  Is that less than 10 total of all colors and sizes, or less than 10 in the 9 inch size and green color?

Baltbottles, I always respect your opinion and i appreciate your estimate even if it may be higher than it should be considering the economy. You know your glass infinitely better than I know mine.

So you would like some daylight shots Woody? Here they are! It is 100% overcast outside but I'd say the images do the bottle a tad more justice than the others. I also moistened it to downplay the hazing so the color could shine more true (still tough to capture, it is lighter near the top and a nice emerald in the bottom third where the glass is thicker):






Crappy shot of the corner mold alteration





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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/22/2009 12:30:29 PM   
Plumbata


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Status: offline 		hey floridarecycled, what are the magic words you use?

mine go something along the lines of: 

"Oh mighty spirits of the lost ages of glassblowing, I call to you on my shaky and soiled knees, humbly requesting a blessing of colored locals"

If after a while that doesn't work, it typically degenerates into something like this:

"Awlright you fickle bottle-gods, I've been paying my dues for hours and all you offer me is a lousy Castoria!? You don't want me going to give my offerings to the gods of mini-jugs instead, do you?"


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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/22/2009 12:41:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Plumbata

Well, before I went digging today I told my gal that I would find something awesome, perhaps something that would help pay the incessant bills.

I had no idea that my casual statement would actually come true.



I was referring to what you said before you left to go and dig - it's quite simply the power of positive thinking!

Keep it up!! 

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