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Need help from experts on Iron Pontil - 10/2/2008 8:29:14 PM    GACDIG   Posts: 231 Joined: 9/10/2006 From: Concord NC. Status: offline The other day I was lucky to pick up a neat old iron pontil bottle at a new shop I visited. In the back of some bottles I found this greenish blue iron pontil with Cosgrove & Kernan from Charleston SC on it. I has a blob top. Looks like a soda.  I did some research on it, a man name James Cosgrove move it to Charleston in the mid 1800, made and sold mineral water, Ale, Larger beer, soda and cigars for the Civil War toop as the war went down in Charleston. The bottle dates from 1845 - 1855. As I inspected the bottle it seem to be shorter than most but the blob top look real. Now I have been told it may be a repaired top on it. But it looks professtional. Has any one ever had this one or know bottle repairs? Attachment (1) _____________________________ Glenn YOU DIG IT ! http://www.geocities.com/gac3336/bottledigger.html Post #: 1

RE: Need help from experts on Iron Pontil - 10/2/2008 8:30:21 PM    GACDIG   Posts: 231 Joined: 9/10/2006 From: Concord NC. Status: offline Cosgrove Attachment (1) _____________________________ Glenn YOU DIG IT ! http://www.geocities.com/gac3336/bottledigger.html (in reply to GACDIG) Post #: 2

RE: Need help from experts on Iron Pontil - 10/2/2008 8:30:58 PM    GACDIG   Posts: 231 Joined: 9/10/2006 From: Concord NC. Status: offline top Attachment (1) (in reply to GACDIG) Post #: 3

RE: Need help from experts on Iron Pontil - 10/2/2008 8:31:45 PM    GACDIG   Posts: 231 Joined: 9/10/2006 From: Concord NC. Status: offline Iron Pontil Attachment (1) (in reply to GACDIG) Post #: 4

RE: Need help from experts on Iron Pontil - 10/2/2008 8:33:02 PM    GACDIG   Posts: 231 Joined: 9/10/2006 From: Concord NC. Status: offline front Attachment (1) (in reply to GACDIG) Post #: 5

RE: Need help from experts on Iron Pontil - 10/2/2008 8:42:59 PM    glass man Posts: 1691 Joined: 1/30/2008 From: GEORGIA Status: offline On the left side of the neck [facing the screen] it looks like it has a brownish discoloration at the neck.Looks like the epoxy used is old and turned brown ,a sure sign of a repair and a good while ago. Is that a hair line crack in the middle of the bottle?SORRY YOU ASKED FOR EXPERTS. WHATEVER, A GREAT BOTTLE! < Message edited by glass man -- 10/2/2008 8:45:37 PM > _____________________________ I know You've got mountains that you think you cannot climb Your skies are dark You think the sun won't shine Case you don't know The WORD OF GOD is true! ALL HE PROMISED HE WILL DO IT FOR YOU! JESUS IS THE ANSWER FOR THE WORLD TODAY JESUS IS THE WAY! (in reply to GACDIG) Post #: 6

RE: Need help from experts on Iron Pontil - 10/2/2008 10:15:12 PM    GACDIG   Posts: 231 Joined: 9/10/2006 From: Concord NC. Status: offline No, there is no cracks. Just old marks in the glass. Expoy, is that like some kind of hard glue. _____________________________ Glenn YOU DIG IT ! http://www.geocities.com/gac3336/bottledigger.html (in reply to glass man) Post #: 7

RE: Need help from experts on Iron Pontil - 10/2/2008 10:35:28 PM    bottlediger Posts: 1451 Joined: 2/19/2006 From: York Pa Status: offline Im sorry to say but yes it does look like a repair to me as well most of the neck was probly knocked off and the top reapplied _____________________________ Professional Tumbling Services Digger Ry Style My Tumbling Page (in reply to GACDIG) Post #: 8

RE: Need help from experts on Iron Pontil - 10/2/2008 10:39:05 PM    bottlediger Posts: 1451 Joined: 2/19/2006 From: York Pa Status: offline Also, if you stick your finger inside the neck and feel around, if it was repaird you should feel a slight roughness or lip. Digger Ry _____________________________ Professional Tumbling Services Digger Ry Style My Tumbling Page (in reply to bottlediger) Post #: 9

RE: Need help from experts on Iron Pontil - 10/2/2008 10:44:33 PM    lobeycat Posts: 3775 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: offline get a hold of a UV light and see if she glows at the neck. If you can't find one take it to the mall and check it out in Spencer Gifts _____________________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD8XDgVe2EU long lost recipe (in reply to bottlediger) Post #: 10

RE: Need help from experts on Iron Pontil - 10/2/2008 11:02:55 PM    capsoda Posts: 7866 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline If it is repaired it was put back together at the base of the blob. You should be able to see it with a loop or magnifier of some kind. Epoxi is a two part cement and if it was done before about 1990 or a cheap epoxi was used it will yellow over time. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to lobeycat) Post #: 11

RE: Need help from experts on Iron Pontil - 10/2/2008 11:35:46 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 5127 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline Lobey is correct that repairs are often apparent under UV light. The repair material is not as hard as glass. It is likely an acrylic resin.  If you take an exacto knife and try to lightly scratch it (do it inside where it isnt visible) a resin should scratch pretty easy. Glass is much harder. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 12

RE: Need help from experts on Iron Pontil - 10/3/2008 2:25:09 PM    baltbottles   Posts: 921 Joined: 11/25/2002 From: Baltimore Maryland Status: offline My opinion is it has been repaired. The lip looks slightly different in color to the bottle and really isn't the right shape lip for most iron pontiled sodas. I would bet that if you soak it in a vat of acetone for a few days the top will fall off. Chris _____________________________ Please visit my website at : www.geocities.com/baltbottles/index.html (in reply to GACDIG) Post #: 13

RE: Need help from experts on Iron Pontil - 10/3/2008 4:35:54 PM    GACDIG   Posts: 231 Joined: 9/10/2006 From: Concord NC. Status: offline Thanks my bottle friends. I was told that this bottle in good condition is worth severl hundred dollars. I payed $50. I am trying to decide if  I should take it back or just keep it and enjoy it for its historical value. Even repaired  it is still a nice display bottle  due to its age, type and color. GAC _____________________________ Glenn YOU DIG IT ! http://www.geocities.com/gac3336/bottledigger.html (in reply to baltbottles) Post #: 14

RE: Need help from experts on Iron Pontil - 10/3/2008 4:51:37 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 5127 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline I have paid that much for rare damaged bottles for my collection that I dont intend to resell. I use them for display and research. If the bottle was properly marked or described by the shop as repaired then it may be an ok deal for you. If the bottle was sold as undamaged (an does have a replaced top) I would certainly take it back just on pricipal. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to GACDIG) Post #: 15

RE: Need help from experts on Iron Pontil - 10/3/2008 6:10:22 PM    GACDIG   Posts: 231 Joined: 9/10/2006 From: Concord NC. Status: offline Thanks GuntherHess, That's the thing, nowhere was it marked of a repair. This seller had other Charleston SC bottle that were nice also. He should had marked this one. Or I should have know for the price it was to good to be true. On what you said I will take it back. _____________________________ Glenn YOU DIG IT ! http://www.geocities.com/gac3336/bottledigger.html (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 16

RE: Need help from experts on Iron Pontil - 10/3/2008 8:15:39 PM    glass man Posts: 1691 Joined: 1/30/2008 From: GEORGIA Status: offline If yo want to invest the money[got no idea of cost] the bottle can be repaired again. Some can do such a great job the repair can not even be dectected. A substance can be used that will not turn off color as time passes. Can't remember the substance,but some one surely knows here and can probabably can do the repair.Such a great bottle it would be worth it! I am still kicking myself for not buying a "SWIFTS SYPHILLITIC SPECIFIC" COBALT AND FROM ATLANTA. I COULD HAVE BOUGHT IT FOR $100. MINT SELLS FOR $900 + AND ARE VERY HARD TO FIND! THE BOTTLE WAS MINT ,EXCEPT A VERY ,VERY POOR NECK REPAIR. MAN ,I WISH I HAD BOUGHT IT AND HAD IT REPAIRED!OH WELL! THE MED. WAS LATER TO JUST SSS AS I GUESS THE WORD SYPHILLITIC WAS INAPPROPIATE. A LARGE AND BEAUTIFUL BOTTLE! < Message edited by glass man -- 10/3/2008 8:32:39 PM > _____________________________ I know You've got mountains that you think you cannot climb Your skies are dark You think the sun won't shine Case you don't know The WORD OF GOD is true! ALL HE PROMISED HE WILL DO IT FOR YOU! JESUS IS THE ANSWER FOR THE WORLD TODAY JESUS IS THE WAY! (in reply to GACDIG) Post #: 17

RE: Need help from experts on Iron Pontil - 10/3/2008 8:21:30 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 5127 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline quote: I will take it back Just make 100% sure you know it is repaired ..and be able to demonstrate that at the store (i.e. take a UV light if need be). A receipt is always  important too (sorry if I'm stating the obvious) _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to GACDIG) Post #: 18

RE: Need help from experts on Iron Pontil - 10/4/2008 10:58:23 PM    glass man Posts: 1691 Joined: 1/30/2008 From: GEORGIA Status: offline If You love the bottle and want to keep it I would ask for some money back. _____________________________ I know You've got mountains that you think you cannot climb Your skies are dark You think the sun won't shine Case you don't know The WORD OF GOD is true! ALL HE PROMISED HE WILL DO IT FOR YOU! JESUS IS THE ANSWER FOR THE WORLD TODAY JESUS IS THE WAY! (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 19

RE: Need help from experts on Iron Pontil - 10/5/2008 7:18:26 PM    cc6pack   Posts: 537 Joined: 7/12/2003 From: Mableton, Ga. Status: offline Jamie Just found my pic of this one thought you might like to take a gander Attachment (1) < Message edited by cc6pack -- 10/5/2008 7:21:41 PM > (in reply to glass man) Post #: 20

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