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New Finds in Australia - 1/9/2005 2:52:47 AM    nic.au   Posts: 20 Joined: 1/9/2005 Status: offline I'm working on a job in one of Australia's Major cities. Along a old river bank that was back filled some 50 years ago to make way for new roads etc. There used to be an old jetty I belive which the early settlers used from 1850's Most of the finds that are whole, are marbled soda bottles complete with seals, medicine and wine bottles. lots of old porcelin but all broken and some stone ware. But one I've got is a wine shaped bottle with a vine on it and L ROSE & CO embossed on the front. On the base it has J K & S, then a W, and 1558. Which I belive is John Kilner and Sons. The little green one has Robert Harper & co 9.2.91 on it and empire co. The stone ware has no marks, may be honey pots? Any info would be interesting. Picture reduced in size - please see Help - Using the Forum ---> Uploading a Picture - Admin Attachment (1) < Message edited by Admin -- 1/9/2005 8:15:56 AM > Post #: 1

RE: New Finds in Australia - 1/9/2005 3:28:31 AM    bigkitty53   Posts: 286 Joined: 3/28/2004 From: Bermuda Status: offline Hi Nic, Your L.Rose bottle is a Rose's Lime Cordial bottle.Rose's is still made to this day,as most any bartender can you! Nicely embossed,but not uncommon anywhere in the former British Empire.Can't tell you much about your Harper's,except that the shape suggests a sauce bottle.The stoneware look like general food jars,they could have held anything from honey to jam to pickles.Still all nice to look at and a good start to your collection! KAT _____________________________ "...Just don't let me mistake you for a mouse." (in reply to nic.au) Post #: 2

RE: New Finds in Australia - 1/9/2005 6:34:04 AM    IRISH   Posts: 1238 Joined: 11/23/2002 From: cockatoo Australia Status: offline Hi nic.au, welcome to the forum . Robert Harper had a huge factory in Port Melbourne and made food products and household stuff I think the Empire brand was a polish. The stoneware is (L to R) a Chinese ginger jar (they where a general purpose container, we just call them that as a lot of them had ginger in them) and a cheese jar. The Rose's is an English cordial as bigkitty53 said. Any chance of a photo of your marble bottles ? (in reply to nic.au) Post #: 3

RE: New Finds in Australia - 1/9/2005 8:18:23 AM    nic.au   Posts: 20 Joined: 1/9/2005 Status: offline Thank's for the info guys, all this is new to me although over the years working in civils I have picked up heaps, I never realy took much interest and gave most away. Just keeping the odd one as a momento of the jobs. The Marble bottles are still at work Irish or I have given them away but I shall get some home in the week and take some pic's. They are all similar to this one, which is English, made by Redfearn Bros in Barnsley for Hawkes & Shepheard of Newton Abbot which is in Devon. I dug this one up about 25 years. Picture cropped and reduced in size - please see Help - Using the Forum ---> Uploading a Picture - Admin Attachment (1) < Message edited by Admin -- 1/9/2005 8:31:41 AM > (in reply to nic.au) Post #: 4

RE: New Finds in Australia - 1/9/2005 3:31:51 PM    Dirranbandi   Posts: 104 Joined: 4/25/2004 From: Ipswich, Queensland, Australia. Status: offline G'day nic.au Robert Harper also had a major factory in Brisbane, Queensland which produced sauces, pickles etc. He patented the "Empire' brand in 1891, hence the date on the bottle - your bottle is a sauce which is also found in aqua/amethyst. There is a wide mouth version probably used for pickles/relish. Cheers, Dirranbandi (in reply to nic.au) Post #: 5

RE: New Finds in Australia - 1/11/2005 12:37:30 AM    Dirranbandi   Posts: 104 Joined: 4/25/2004 From: Ipswich, Queensland, Australia. Status: offline G'day nic.au Here is a photo of the darker emerald green variety - your bottle is a nice variation (I've changed the photo to a smaller size). Cheers, Dirranbandi Attachment (1) < Message edited by Dirranbandi -- 1/16/2005 5:56:52 AM > (in reply to nic.au) Post #: 6

RE: New Finds in Australia - 1/11/2005 8:15:07 AM    kastoo   Posts: 1159 Joined: 9/7/2004 From: Lagrange, GA Status: offline G'day! It's good that you're not throwing them away..giving away is much better! Thanks for the pics! (in reply to nic.au) Post #: 7

RE: New Finds in Australia - 1/12/2005 5:46:48 AM    nic.au   Posts: 20 Joined: 1/9/2005 Status: offline Here is two of those bottles Irish. The one on the left has a hand on it & Donaldson & Collins the other has a Lion in a shield with Crowder & Letchford. Attachment (1) (in reply to nic.au) Post #: 8

RE: New Finds in Australia - 1/12/2005 7:43:16 PM    kumtow   Posts: 171 Joined: 5/13/2004 From: Australia. Tropical Queensland Status: offline Nice codd bottles (marble bottles) Nic. _____________________________ ~Alan~ Arrgh, not another....... Holbrookes!!! (in reply to nic.au) Post #: 9

RE: New Finds in Australia - 1/13/2005 1:04:44 AM    IRISH   Posts: 1238 Joined: 11/23/2002 From: cockatoo Australia Status: offline Both very nice bottles , both reasonably hard to get too. (in reply to nic.au) Post #: 10

RE: New Finds in Australia - 1/15/2005 12:41:26 AM    nic.au   Posts: 20 Joined: 1/9/2005 Status: offline Hit a good patch on friday, must have pulled out 20+ cobb's plus heaps of other stuff Attachment (1) (in reply to nic.au) Post #: 11

RE: New Finds in Australia - 1/15/2005 12:44:32 AM    nic.au   Posts: 20 Joined: 1/9/2005 Status: offline I'll have to start cleaning some, see how they come up Attachment (1) (in reply to nic.au) Post #: 12

RE: New Finds in Australia - 1/15/2005 12:50:19 AM    S.C. Warner   Posts: 126 Joined: 1/2/2005 From: it happens out in Vegas, and it happens in Moline. Status: offline Holy cow! Beautiful! (The Brown pottery, is it a Denby?) Really all of them are so breath taking! s.c. (in reply to nic.au) Post #: 13

RE: New Finds in Australia - 1/15/2005 1:07:21 AM    nic.au   Posts: 20 Joined: 1/9/2005 Status: offline The stamp on the brown one S.C. Looks like, Deorceskey. ?????? works. Tamworth Attachment (1) (in reply to nic.au) Post #: 14

RE: New Finds in Australia - 1/15/2005 1:17:09 AM    S.C. Warner   Posts: 126 Joined: 1/2/2005 From: it happens out in Vegas, and it happens in Moline. Status: offline Nice close up! I was just wondering if it was an ink because in first picture it kind of looks like it has a pour lip on mouth. A little more stout than the Denby's I've dug, but same color and the name stamp is in same place as yours, outside bottom. Very nice, you are very fortunate. (what I would give to find those!) Thanks! s.c. (in reply to nic.au) Post #: 15

RE: New Finds in Australia - 1/15/2005 1:28:48 AM    S.C. Warner   Posts: 126 Joined: 1/2/2005 From: it happens out in Vegas, and it happens in Moline. Status: offline P.S. quote: Deorceskey I didn't get any hits doing search on Deorceskey, but got very many on both Tamworth bottle http://tinyurl.com/65py4 and Tamworth Pottery Bottle. http://tinyurl.com/623m8 Looks very interesting. s.c. < Message edited by S.C. Warner -- 1/15/2005 1:32:20 AM > (in reply to nic.au) Post #: 16

RE: New Finds in Australia - 1/15/2005 5:01:03 AM    Dirranbandi   Posts: 104 Joined: 4/25/2004 From: Ipswich, Queensland, Australia. Status: offline G'day The pottery stamp is "George Skey Wilnecote Works Nr.Tamworth" - this pottery works operated from 1862 before being taken over by Doulton in 1935. They used several different stamps - yours was used from 1862-1900, but the bottle probably 1890's. George Skey is also listed as a mine owner for Wilnecote. I like the marble at the right of your photo - is it a Reading Bunbury Valve patent?? Cheers, Dirranbandi (in reply to nic.au) Post #: 17

RE: New Finds in Australia - 1/15/2005 7:28:03 AM    nic.au   Posts: 20 Joined: 1/9/2005 Status: offline Hi Dirranbandi Thanks for the info on that jar. That one marble or cobb (why cobb?)has Thomson & Co. Registered Trade Mark. with 'Purity' in a cross. Under that, Crystal Springs Minral Water Works Dunedin. On the Back it has, Reliance Patent, Sole Maker, Dan Rylands. Barnsley. Out of all the Marble bottles we've turned up the last week this is the only one this shape we've got hole. There's been heaps of half size ones as well, but all broken. I think I've been bitten by the bottle bug. (in reply to nic.au) Post #: 18

RE: New Finds in Australia - 1/15/2005 6:10:59 PM    bigkitty53   Posts: 286 Joined: 3/28/2004 From: Bermuda Status: offline Dirranbandi, A Bunbury valve patent??Sounds like someone still has visions of sugarplums swirling around from Christmas!(WOULD be a super find though!) Don't know about that being a Reliance without seeing it cleaned up-can't tell if it's a shadow or dirt or does it have the 'Acme's belly button? nic,you have some unusual patents and CODD varients there-Love to see them cleaned up!Here's a link that gives a little history of Hiram Codd: http://www.bygonz.com/ Check "C" in the Reference section Just ignore the F***ing Tripod popups til you're finished.(Not spyware or anything like that,just bloody annoying!) KAT < Message edited by bigkitty53 -- 1/15/2005 6:16:35 PM > _____________________________ "...Just don't let me mistake you for a mouse." (in reply to nic.au) Post #: 19

RE: New Finds in Australia - 1/16/2005 1:49:23 AM    Dirranbandi   Posts: 104 Joined: 4/25/2004 From: Ipswich, Queensland, Australia. Status: offline G'day bigkitty53 At first look from the angle of the photo it did appear to be a valve, rather than a reliance patent - as you point out there does seem to be a dimple (Acme Patent?) - even though a Western Australian Reliance Patent would be a great find, e.g. Crowder & Letchford with 'Lion' trademark. The H. E. Reading Bunbury (Western Australia) Valve patent is quite rare ($1 000 + AUD); almost as spectacular as the Reading/Bunbury Valve Hybrid!! Now they would be nice presents to find under the Christmas tree. Cheers, Dirranbandi < Message edited by Dirranbandi -- 1/16/2005 5:50:55 AM > (in reply to nic.au) Post #: 20

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