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New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/21/2006 11:30:55 AM    subsoil Posts: 97 Joined: 7/31/2006 From: NH Status: offline I just came across this and I am floored: http://www.wmur.com/news/10582085/detail.html Calling all New Hampshire diggers: What do we do? This has been a longtime fear of mine that the state will eventually seriously restrict our hobby and make it nearly impossible to keep artifacts from these sites.  And now that the media is picking up on it I fear it only accelerates the process. /Scared now Post #: 1

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/21/2006 11:35:20 AM    bottlediger Posts: 1377 Joined: 2/19/2006 From: York Pa Status: online OMG  (in reply to subsoil) Post #: 2

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/21/2006 12:29:34 PM    richf   Posts: 379 Joined: 8/27/2006 From: Weatherly, PA Status: offline Just another way our government is working to restrict and control almost everything. And, they probably don't care one bit about the bottles! My advice is dig it now, while you still can. That statement about digging in a city park is ridiculous ... he's comparing apples to oranges. They would be much better off concentrating on what seems to be a rather serious homelessness problem. Rich (in reply to subsoil) Post #: 3

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/21/2006 12:37:05 PM    baltbottles   Posts: 872 Joined: 11/25/2002 From: Baltimore Maryland Status: offline Load of rubbish I say. For one your not supposed to dig on state land. And 2 the "archeologist " they quoted in the article said and I quote " That value is lost once the bottle is taken from its context, he said." This guy is not a very good archeologist because in general large dumps have no true context they are too mixed up to ever be worth digging archeologically. I’ve had more then one Professional archeologist tell me this. Small dumping sites perhaps those from a single house can provide some archeological value and any small dumping deposits that occurred over a very short period of time could also provide valuable information. So basically all this article says is that they may be cracking down on people digging on state lands. So just dig on private land with permission and you will not have any problems. Chris _____________________________ Please visit my website at : www.geocities.com/baltbottles/index.html (in reply to subsoil) Post #: 4

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/21/2006 1:01:59 PM    swizzle   Posts: 1325 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline I think we need to get a couple of brilliant minds in on this in our defense. Point out the fact that while our friends are digging out old trash, the drunk homeless families are pissing in the river. What's the bigger problem? I'd say the homeless living along the river are by far the worse of their problems. A 50 foot hole in the side of a river isn't going to change its course. A river is going to go where it wants to. That 50 foot wide hole is a drop in the bucket. Compare that to what our states factories are doing to our waterways. Here in the adirondacks we have factories that are knowingly poisoning our rivers. They are allowed to do so because they can afford a permit every year that says its ok. The clean up is far to costly and why worry about it when you can just renew your permit. The permit system was installed years ago to provide a delay until newer technologies would allow a safer and cleaner means of running a bussiness. We can't eat anymore then 3 pounds of fish a month due to the mercury in their system. There is one company that's dumping 10's of thousands of pounds of waste into hudson every day. By the time the hudson gets to the ocean its almost purely poison. Now some archiologist fresh out of school is saying a 50 foot hole and a medicine bottle that can sell for as much as a $1,000 on ebay is destroying the river. That to me just sounds ignorant. Swizzle (in reply to baltbottles) Post #: 5

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/21/2006 1:29:58 PM    frank   Posts: 544 Joined: 3/13/2005 Status: offline I think digging on state property is a bad thing did the digger fill there holes up if they didnt that what you get!!! I dig on privite property and dont have any problems i back fill my holes in  ps sad to say they are destroying the river banks when you cut the roots out of a 150 yearold  tree it weakens and  the tree goes down and erodes the river bank and the animals lose there home too!!! < Message edited by frank -- 12/21/2006 2:06:32 PM > (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 6

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/21/2006 1:37:16 PM    zanes_antiques Posts: 2020 Joined: 9/3/2006 From: Steubenville, Ohio Status: offline The next time I find a good early dump I'm not going to dig a single bottle. I'll get a better price if I leave them in the ground. I can see it now on ebay. Small farm dump for sale, Starting bid 10 million dollars Here's an idea. Let the Homeless dig there so they can raise money to become non-homeless.LMAO. Besdies, are you really destroying the river bank. it's not a river bank it's a dump. The river bank begins where the dump leaves off. Actually the diggers are restorring the river bank to its oringinal course!!! < Message edited by zanes_antiques -- 12/21/2006 1:40:53 PM > _____________________________ I buy, sell, barter, and beg....Zane (in reply to frank) Post #: 7

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/21/2006 2:09:26 PM    bottlediger Posts: 1377 Joined: 2/19/2006 From: York Pa Status: online "Now some archiologist fresh out of school is saying a 50 foot hole and a medicine bottle that can sell for as much as a $1,000 on ebay is destroying the river. That to me just sounds ignorant." Swizzle Its not ignorance its pure jelousy, I have an archeology major along with a enviromental major, most of the poisons originaly from the dump as leached into the water ways LONG ago and the little that remains that goes into the river is VERY slim compaired to what factorys put in! (in reply to zanes_antiques) Post #: 8

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/21/2006 3:04:53 PM    swizzle   Posts: 1325 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline Do you feel that this site is of historical significance? I can see the home of a famous person or artifacts that date back to the late 1700's and back, but to me 1800's seems kind of new for archeologist to be really worried about. Am I wrong in thinking this? Swizzle (in reply to bottlediger) Post #: 9

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/21/2006 3:11:24 PM    capsoda Posts: 7743 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline We are the state, not a few politicians and do gooders. US, the diggers, collectors, buyers and sellers and the Wally world greeter dude too. This guy is another ignorant busy body who is going to save us from ourselves even if it kills us all. It is a hobby and I used to dig with an archy type who was a bottle collector and we never destroyed any history of any kind. The homeless problem I don,t really give a crap about because most of them like where they are. AND, AND, I will be right up because I am not getting rich down here digging any $1000 meds so I will come up there and help you folks get rid of all the ones you have.  What a $h!t head....... _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to bottlediger) Post #: 10

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/21/2006 3:23:05 PM    towhead Posts: 887 Joined: 12/31/2004 Status: offline Ahhhh Warren....you are soooo refreshing!! _____________________________ J (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 11

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/21/2006 3:52:14 PM    bottlecol345   Posts: 96 Joined: 5/21/2006 Status: offline  I think its stupid the archaeologists think the bottles would be more valuable sat in the ground where no one could even tell what they were. Archeaologists dig stuff up all the time, ancient cities to old building sites. How could they say that rare artifacts could be more valuable in the ground than actually being able to identify them?? Hopefully this whole idea is just rubbish. If it isnt, hopefully other states wont develop simular bans _____________________________ I Buy Insulators! (in reply to subsoil) Post #: 12

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/21/2006 4:14:54 PM    Mike O Posts: 472 Joined: 12/26/2005 Status: offline   < Message edited by Mike O -- 12/21/2006 4:26:50 PM > (in reply to bottlecol345) Post #: 13

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/21/2006 4:20:02 PM    Mike O Posts: 472 Joined: 12/26/2005 Status: offline I have to apologize for my langue in my last post! I just pisses me off that people cant mind there own business and leave us diggers alone. If I offended anyone with my quick reaction I truly am sorry to you! I should have not used two 2 words.  Mike O (in reply to Mike O) Post #: 14

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/21/2006 4:33:21 PM    bottlediger Posts: 1377 Joined: 2/19/2006 From: York Pa Status: online Mike mike mike, you appologise to easy. She deserves a big FU! And Swizzle, Yes I do feel this site and all other  bottle digging sites have an are of historical Significance. BUT historical significance to US the bottle digger. We love what we do, we take pride in it and IF IT WASNT FOR US, most of the historical bottles that our out there would not be right now because the areas most of them came from are now DEVELOPED and destoryed. Arceologists cant do ANYTHING without money. They have to get their funding form somewhere wither from the state, gov. or private interests. No one wants to hand over an Arch. Money to dig up some 1800's bottles. Why because that time frame of history is so well documented its not even funny. Everyone on here knows that. So when they cant get money they beotch about stupid Shibby like us bottle diggers to get their name out there to promote themselfs or just out of pure jelousey to stop the people that are really doing something and preserving history. (in reply to Mike O) Post #: 15

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/21/2006 4:33:45 PM    swizzle   Posts: 1325 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline I don't blame you for being mad Mike O. Maybe you can post some pics of those $1,000 meds. you've been digging out of that 50 foot hole. I'd like to see some pics of the dump in question. Maybe you can give us a little history lesson of the area your digging as well. Bottlediger, I thank you for your opinion. Its always nice to get a fresh perspective. Swizzle < Message edited by swizzle -- 12/21/2006 4:37:28 PM > (in reply to Mike O) Post #: 16

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/21/2006 4:47:26 PM    digger mcdirt   Posts: 838 Joined: 8/8/2005 Status: offline That is terrible! I know some of the guys who have dug there and have seen the site it is a grown up river bank! There is no way that digging there could hurt anyone or anything. As far as the history it is a huge City dump with burn layers etc. The guys who dig it re-fill their holes and do not leave huge holes in the ground (I never saw anything like that  when I was through there). It sounds like to me another case of a jerk being a jerk. They did the same thing at Memphis years ago on the Mississippi and to this day digging is still messed up. It only takes one to really mess up a spot. I see more and more sites becoming off limits today because of this.I hope this passes for all my NH friends so they can get back to digging like they do. _____________________________ McDirt (in reply to subsoil) Post #: 17

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/21/2006 4:54:49 PM    earlyglass   Posts: 341 Joined: 12/21/2004 Status: offline Well, it was only a matter of time before officials took notice. I'll tell ya, that dump looked like swiss cheese when I was digging there as a kid over 25 years ago. For some reason, people continue to go back to that place, and for what?? I have not seen one pontilled piece pulled from the 1/2 mile dump! And everything is sick glass. It is right in the center of the city with highways an on-lookers everywhere. I could see 4 or 5 people digging as I traveled over the bridge last week. I understand that the diggers are not harming anyone, but there is no way in hell that any holes are being filled. Like I said, it looks like a mine field! I can also imagine that the river will fill those ravines and holes and cause additional erosion, but that is not my call. Anyways, I am not taking any sides here, but I could certainly locate a dozen sites that are more productive than this one, away from the public and without the hassles of Mr. Jack-off Archeologist.  Don't waste your time. (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 18

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/21/2006 5:05:57 PM    Mike O Posts: 472 Joined: 12/26/2005 Status: offline I am Happy that I don't live in NH. I will bet now the do gooders will take some tax dollers  and do a archaeolol dig To find out what the city drank in 1900 so Maybe I could offer my tumbling services to clean up all the sick bottles to like new condition. And since all the bottles are worth thousand of dollers I should charge at least $750.00 each to tumble them!   Hey Earlyglass The holes may not be filled to the top and level but I would say that they are at least 80% back filled (in reply to earlyglass) Post #: 19

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/21/2006 5:15:30 PM    earlyglass   Posts: 341 Joined: 12/21/2004 Status: offline Mike, you know I am not pointing any fingers, but the place has been a mess for years, long before you or any of the guys on this site were going there. I have spoken to guys that have dug that place for longer than we have been alive... and very few great bottles have been found. I'm not trying to spoil the fun, it just seems like a waste of time to me. This could hurt your tumbling business though! About the state regulations... it seems a bit extreme to me. But to my point... stay out of the radar. Mike (in reply to Mike O) Post #: 20

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