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Newbie To Jar Collecting?!? - 7/6/2010 5:59:03 PM    swizzle Posts: 3583 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: online Hello all!! I'm about as green as they come when it comes to jar collecting. I've seen plenty of interesting ones in the past few months and this is the first year that I've actually dug jars. I've got a few questions about jar collecting in general. Dating Ball Jars. I've noticed that with the dating guide for Ball jars that the screw tops go back into the very late 1800's. How far back do the screw tops go for jars in general? The closing bail wire? Most of these that I've dug have a busted bail wire. Just simply rotted right through. Can these be replaced, if so where do you get new ones? Lids, How do you display your lids? I'd like to see several different displays if you guys have some pics. The seam. I see what appears to be an ABM seam on my one ball jar that dates to the very late 1800's to 1910. Is this an ABM seam or was it some different type of molding process. Wax sealers. I love to see the older wax sealers but don't know much if anything about them. Any info on Wax Sealers would be great as well. I'm more interested in collecting the older, cruder glass and in most cases I wouldn't even care if it was embossed. Are there pontiled jars? any help would be awesome and I'm sure I'll have a ton of other questions in the near future as I dig more jars. Swiz Post #: 1

RE: Newbie To Jar Collecting?!? - 7/6/2010 6:00:31 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 11468 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline quote: Dating Ball Jars. I've noticed that with the dating guide for Ball jars that the screw tops go back into the very late 1800's. How far back do the screw tops go for jars in general? the 1858 patent is for a screw top... _____________________________ FREE Online Medicine Guide - http://www.antiquemedicines.com/MedicineNexus/Nexus.htm Web Site - http://antiquemedicines.com Email : mknapp@antiquemedicines.com (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 2

RE: Newbie To Jar Collecting?!? - 7/6/2010 7:17:38 PM    swizzle Posts: 3583 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: online Wow what took so long for Ketchup to catch up? I didn't thing screw tops went back that far. Well there's one question down. Swiz  (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 3

RE: Newbie To Jar Collecting?!? - 7/6/2010 7:23:34 PM    coreya Posts: 703 Joined: 4/30/2007 From: Summerfield, Fl Status: online The first suggestion would be for you to get a book called "the collectors guide to old fruit jars" (or the red book) by douglas leybourne. There is a wealth of info in that book. The second suggestion would be to collect what you like but stick to one or two catagories so you dont end up like me with hundreds of jars on display! There are also a ton of sites devoted to mason type jars of which Ball is a small portion. here are some to get you started. ball jars glass marks dating ball jars bottle info (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 4

RE: Newbie To Jar Collecting?!? - 7/6/2010 9:28:55 PM    swizzle Posts: 3583 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: online I have the Red Book 9. You guys actually read that stuff? Just kidding. I was more or less just using it to find out about the jars that I dig as I dig them. So far I haven't had any questions about the ones I've dug because I've found them in there. The prices seem to be off though. I keep digging the $1 & $2 jars that are listed right next to the $400 and $500 jars.  I'll dig a good one one of these days. Thanx for the info guys. Swiz (in reply to coreya) Post #: 5

RE: Newbie To Jar Collecting?!? - 7/6/2010 9:53:51 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 11468 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline There are screw top condiment bottles dating at least back to the 1880s, maybe earlier. With hand blown bottles they had to finish the top somehow even if it had screw threads on the mold. _____________________________ FREE Online Medicine Guide - http://www.antiquemedicines.com/MedicineNexus/Nexus.htm Web Site - http://antiquemedicines.com Email : mknapp@antiquemedicines.com (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 6

RE: Newbie To Jar Collecting?!? - 7/7/2010 3:24:58 PM    swizzle Posts: 3583 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: online Ok, so here are two that I dug today. I tossed out a 3rd eclipse jar because it has a nasty crack in it. After getting the other eclipse cleaned up I noticed a crack in the back of that one as well. Is it worth saving? I'd have to replace the bail as well. Redbook is listing it as a $6 to $8 jar. So maybe worth .90 cents after someone pays the shipping? Now this one is a bit cooler I love the 3 L's and have another jar with the 3 L's from a large bottle lot that I purchased. This one has the dropped A and the dropped R in Improved. what I can't tell is which one it is exactly. Is it a 249-5, a 250-5, or a 250-6? Swiz (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 7

RE: Newbie To Jar Collecting?!? - 7/7/2010 4:36:39 PM    coreya Posts: 703 Joined: 4/30/2007 From: Summerfield, Fl Status: online looks like a 249-5 to me, nice find to bad you dont have the lid and band. toss the eclipse if it has a crack but save the lid. JMHO (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 8

RE: Newbie To Jar Collecting?!? - 7/7/2010 4:55:45 PM    swizzle Posts: 3583 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: online The lid on it looks common. It the plain clear glass with the 2 dots on top for the band to lock in between. For every lid I've bought home from this dump I've tossed 2 of those clear ones. what would I do with 100 of those dang things? Now what does the lid look like for this jar? I may dig another jar like it that's busted but has the lid. The other jar that I have that is similar to this one has a zinc cap. Swiz (in reply to coreya) Post #: 9

RE: Newbie To Jar Collecting?!? - 7/7/2010 8:42:41 PM    coreya Posts: 703 Joined: 4/30/2007 From: Summerfield, Fl Status: online here is a pic of a 220-5 I have, the lids the same as what would go on yours. The clear lids always sell for .50-1.00 each. [image][/image] [image][/image] [image][/image] (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 10

RE: Newbie To Jar Collecting?!? - 7/7/2010 10:47:20 PM    swizzle Posts: 3583 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: online Looks like a couple of the ones I have outback. I'll have to see if they fit or not. I may get lucky. All 3 of the jars I dug today were within a foot or 2 of each other. I might have found a little honey hole for these ball jars. I guess I'll have to wait to see what tomorrow will bring. I kinda feel dumb now. I tossed what I thought was a wax sealer. My buddy pointed out that it was an ABM so I tossed it thinking it was newer. I guess it could have went back a little ways in age. Live and learn. If I find it I'll bring it home and post it. Thanx for the help. Swiz (in reply to coreya) Post #: 11

RE: Newbie To Jar Collecting?!? - 7/9/2010 4:10:15 AM    dygger60 Posts: 403 Joined: 2/2/2010 From: Hill town area, New York Status: offline Nice jars ya found there...esp that Balll Mason Improved pt witht the dropped R. Heck, take the time to clean that jar...and find a nice lid and band for it.....worth the effort. Those pint jars are pretty tough to find in clear or sun color.....very nice. David _____________________________ Collector of BALL IMPROVED series / BALL MASON IMPROVED series / BALL MASONS PATENT series. (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 12

RE: Newbie To Jar Collecting?!? - 7/9/2010 7:07:15 AM    swizzle Posts: 3583 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: online I'm hoping to find the rest of the case that this one came with. Not to sound silly but you could take that lid off and get me a top and bottom pic of the lid. I have one that fits on there but it kinda looks a little silly with an apple green lid. Can you still buy the bands in the store or do you have to special order them? Swiz (in reply to dygger60) Post #: 13

RE: Newbie To Jar Collecting?!? - 7/9/2010 9:19:31 AM    coreya Posts: 703 Joined: 4/30/2007 From: Summerfield, Fl Status: online the lids are not hard to find but the zinc bands can be tough as there were various sizes depending on who made the jar and that they just were not saved in any large numbers. You might try the ebay but be mindful of the size and thread pattern. I will get those pics later this evening when I have some time. (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 14

RE: Newbie To Jar Collecting?!? - 7/9/2010 2:25:15 PM    swizzle Posts: 3583 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: online Thanx coreya. My aunt might have the right sized band for mine. She has a ton of jars and I thought she'd be posting a few of them by now. I'm gonna take my redbook over to her house soon and get some pics and post them for her. Swiz  (in reply to coreya) Post #: 15

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